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"'''They're not true Christians,'''" is an oft-uttered phrase among Christian apologists used to "disown" examples of self-proclaimed Christians who have committed inarguably immoral acts. Frequently, the same Christians who will use this phrase will also criticize atheism for lack of moral oversight, often even going so far as to point out immoral supposed atheists and try to extend this to atheism as a whole -- a form of flawed inductive reasoning. Furthermore, it may be argued that they are using the fallacy of [[special pleading]], wherein the apologist holds themselves to a different standard than the source of their critique, as as "true Christian" would, under their definition, never commit immoral acts. Often, such apologists ignore the large number of atheists with outspoken dedication towards moral principles, either informally or through adherence to schools of thought such as [[secular humanism]]. Clearly, such a statement merely serves to whitewash Christianity as a bastion of morality, while juxtaposing the supposed dangers of atheism and the atrocities it may bring.
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"'''They're not true Christians,'''" is an oft-uttered phrase among Christian apologists used to "disown" examples of self-proclaimed Christians who have committed inarguably immoral acts. Frequently, the same Christians who will use this phrase will also criticize atheism for lack of moral oversight, often even going so far as to point out immoral supposed atheists and try to extend this to atheism as a whole -- a form of flawed inductive reasoning. Furthermore, it may be argued that they are using the fallacy of [[special pleading]], wherein the apologist holds themselves to a different standard than the source of their critique, as "true Christian" would, under their definition, never commit immoral acts. Often, such apologists ignore the large number of atheists with outspoken dedication towards moral principles, either informally or through adherence to schools of thought such as [[secular humanism]]. Clearly, such a statement merely serves to whitewash Christianity as a bastion of morality, while juxtaposing the supposed dangers of atheism and the atrocities it may bring.
  
More pragmatic examination of this argument yields further weaknesses in the argument. First, one may ask, where is the line drawn for when ceases to be a "true Christian?" Clearly, some immoral acts are far worse than others, but when does a self-described Christian cease to become a "true" Christian. Lying, under Biblical definition, is immoral, yet finding a single person who has never told a lie would be quite difficult. Assuming that to be an "forgivable" immoral act, one can invoke a myriad of other acts, from infidelity to theft, that we know, time after time, self-described Christians have perpetrated.
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More pragmatic examination of this argument yields further weaknesses. First, one may ask, where is the line drawn for when ceases to be a "true Christian?" Clearly, some immoral acts are far worse than others, but when does a self-described Christian cease to become a "true" Christian. Lying, under Biblical definition, is immoral, yet finding a single person who has never told a lie would be quite difficult. Assuming that to be an "forgivable" immoral act, one can invoke a myriad of other acts, from infidelity to theft, that we know, time after time, self-described Christians have perpetrated.
  
 
Throwing even these aside, consider the number of death row inmates who claim to have found God and express seemingly legitimate remorse for their actions. Though few would support the release of these prisoners, many evangelical Christians support these conversions as a way for these inmates to find salvation. Are these "true Christians?"
 
Throwing even these aside, consider the number of death row inmates who claim to have found God and express seemingly legitimate remorse for their actions. Though few would support the release of these prisoners, many evangelical Christians support these conversions as a way for these inmates to find salvation. Are these "true Christians?"

Revision as of 17:10, 28 January 2010

"They're not true Christians," is an oft-uttered phrase among Christian apologists used to "disown" examples of self-proclaimed Christians who have committed inarguably immoral acts. Frequently, the same Christians who will use this phrase will also criticize atheism for lack of moral oversight, often even going so far as to point out immoral supposed atheists and try to extend this to atheism as a whole -- a form of flawed inductive reasoning. Furthermore, it may be argued that they are using the fallacy of special pleading, wherein the apologist holds themselves to a different standard than the source of their critique, as "true Christian" would, under their definition, never commit immoral acts. Often, such apologists ignore the large number of atheists with outspoken dedication towards moral principles, either informally or through adherence to schools of thought such as secular humanism. Clearly, such a statement merely serves to whitewash Christianity as a bastion of morality, while juxtaposing the supposed dangers of atheism and the atrocities it may bring.

More pragmatic examination of this argument yields further weaknesses. First, one may ask, where is the line drawn for when ceases to be a "true Christian?" Clearly, some immoral acts are far worse than others, but when does a self-described Christian cease to become a "true" Christian. Lying, under Biblical definition, is immoral, yet finding a single person who has never told a lie would be quite difficult. Assuming that to be an "forgivable" immoral act, one can invoke a myriad of other acts, from infidelity to theft, that we know, time after time, self-described Christians have perpetrated.

Throwing even these aside, consider the number of death row inmates who claim to have found God and express seemingly legitimate remorse for their actions. Though few would support the release of these prisoners, many evangelical Christians support these conversions as a way for these inmates to find salvation. Are these "true Christians?"


v · d Common objections to atheism and counter-apologetics
Personal   Why are you trying to tear down other people's faith? · Why can't everyone just have their own beliefs? · What are your qualifications? · Atheists believe in nothing · You are a communist · Why do atheists inspire such hatred? · That's not my God
Religious   That's not in my Bible · They're not true Christians · You just want to sin · Atheists know there is a God · It takes more faith to disbelieve than it does to believe · God doesn't believe in atheists · Science is a faith · Atheism is a religion · Atheists worship materialism · Hypocrisy of celebrating religious holidays · Atheism is based on faith · Religious belief is beneficial
Science and logic   You can't prove God doesn't exist · Science can't touch god · God can't be defined · So you think we came from nothing / pondsoup / monkeys? · If God didn't create everything, who did? · That might be true for you, but its not true for me · Religion is another way of knowing · God is trying to trick you with dinosaur bones · Satan is trying to trick you with dinosaur bones · Tides come in, tides go out
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