Talk:What about all the good things religion has given us?
This article seems to miss a fundamental point in the proposition it is refuting; Atheism and religiosity are not synonymous. That religions sometimes do good is not the same as saying theists do good.
I like the idea of this article, but it needs some work. Here are my suggestions:
- The title ought to be more general, so "sub-arguments" can go under the same topic.
- A general argument against anything 'good' claimed to be the sole product of religion.
- Some sort of statement that such an argument, even if accepted, would not prove religious claims are correct. The claim that there is a teapot orbiting the sun between Earth and Mars is unfounded, even if the person making the claim has opened a hundred non-profit hospitals for sick children.
- A logical format. A numbered list of "good" things said to be provided by religion.
- Reasoning or examples to back up the assertions where each item is stated to be:
- not only provided by religious groups,
- not principally motivated by religion itself,
- provided better or more fairly by non-religious organizations.
- A list of 'bad' things religions do in accomplishing the 'good' things they do.
Also, recognize yourself that the fact that something could be does not show it is. If you say, for instance, that there is some other motivation for people to help in soup kitchens, don't argue as if that is the only motivation. A sense of obligation to one's religious group is also a motivation. We really just want to show we're not all greedy, miserable wretches without religion, not that none of us are.--Jaban 14:34, 30 December 2009 (CST)