Talk:St. Augustine

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I think it is very low of you that you are vandalising my improvements on the article of Augustine, i will report you on the main page in the hope of reaching a concensus between you and other people who work via this wiki. It is my believe that you might be feeling jelous of my arguments on the You can't prove God doesn't exist talkpage. --Thomas
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You listen Manichaeism as a pagan religion by calling Augustine a pagan intellectual during the time that he was a Manichaein. Manichaeism is actually a from of dualistic gnosticism and not a pagan polytheistical movement. How do you respond to this? --Thomas
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Before i accept him as being born to a pagan father, i will have to know what sort of paganism his father followed. --Thomas
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[[User:Rivalarrival|Rival]] 20:50, 1 December 2008 (CST)
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==Father was pagan==
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Thomas, the first reference you provided (Catholic Encyclopedia) says this:
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*"Although eminently respectable, his family was not rich, and his father, Patricius, one of the curiales of the city, was still a pagan."
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[[User:Rivalarrival|Rival]] 20:50, 1 December 2008 (CST)
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==Was Augustine Catholic in his youth?==
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Thomas, the first reference you provided (Catholic Encyclopedia) says this:
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*"Augustine received a Christian education. His mother had him signed with the cross and enrolled among the catechumens. Once, when very ill, he asked for baptism, but, all danger being soon passed, he deferred receiving the sacrament, thus yielding to a deplorable custom of the times."
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*"But a great intellectual and moral crisis stifled for a time all these Christian sentiments."
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Even from your obviously biased source, there is sufficient cause to doubt that Augustine was catholic, (or even christian) in his youth.
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[[User:Rivalarrival|Rival]] 20:50, 1 December 2008 (CST)

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Why was Augustine never a pagan?

Youth: Early form a Catholic Christianity (monotheistic}

Teens: Manichaeism (Dualistic)

Adult: Neoplatonism (Dualistic and sometimes monotheistic)

Paganism is polytheistic. Multiple Gods not one or two Gods, or cosmic constructs.

--Thomas



Moved from my talk page:

I think it is very low of you that you are vandalising my improvements on the article of Augustine, i will report you on the main page in the hope of reaching a concensus between you and other people who work via this wiki. It is my believe that you might be feeling jelous of my arguments on the You can't prove God doesn't exist talkpage. --Thomas

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You listen Manichaeism as a pagan religion by calling Augustine a pagan intellectual during the time that he was a Manichaein. Manichaeism is actually a from of dualistic gnosticism and not a pagan polytheistical movement. How do you respond to this? --Thomas

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Before i accept him as being born to a pagan father, i will have to know what sort of paganism his father followed. --Thomas Rival 20:50, 1 December 2008 (CST)


Father was pagan

Thomas, the first reference you provided (Catholic Encyclopedia) says this:

  • "Although eminently respectable, his family was not rich, and his father, Patricius, one of the curiales of the city, was still a pagan."

Rival 20:50, 1 December 2008 (CST)

Was Augustine Catholic in his youth?

Thomas, the first reference you provided (Catholic Encyclopedia) says this:

  • "Augustine received a Christian education. His mother had him signed with the cross and enrolled among the catechumens. Once, when very ill, he asked for baptism, but, all danger being soon passed, he deferred receiving the sacrament, thus yielding to a deplorable custom of the times."
  • "But a great intellectual and moral crisis stifled for a time all these Christian sentiments."

Even from your obviously biased source, there is sufficient cause to doubt that Augustine was catholic, (or even christian) in his youth. Rival 20:50, 1 December 2008 (CST)

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