Talk:Argument from design

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I'm planning on expanding the "rock" section to cover natural rock formations vs. art created with rocks to demonstrate a bit more about complexity and the perception of design. Sans Deity 09:58, 26 June 2006 (MST)


Multiple creators

Matt, what about something in relation to the possibilty of multiple creators/designers?

I'm really not familiar with any claims like that and I can't really see how the rebuttal would be very different, but if there's a real argument there and it needs a response, feel free. Sans Deity 13:06, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Copy paste violations

Whilst additions are always welcome, the last addition to this page just looks like a massive copy paste from another website or pdf ebook. It even still has reference page numbers in there... whats going on?--Murphy 08:12, 12 February 2010 (CST)

Ummm. I'm kinda new here. How can I put my 'Ultimate 747 Gambit' under the 'arguments against god' category? You can check out the article and you can do it!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wissam hemadeh (talkcontribs), 28 February 2010

Craig's argument on "Who designed the designer'

No good at arguing myself, but this is Craig's argument. Anyone want to take it on?

He also goes on to offer a refutation to a common objection:

- Rivius 11:28, 16 July 2010 (CDT)

Craig on the complexity of God

Here's Craig's argument on the complexity of God:

To sum up, he is stating that as a disembodied being, God has no parts and is not complex. I may have oversimplified it, so please watch the video to get a proper grasp of his argument. - Rivius 11:33, 16 July 2010 (CDT)

"Design Team" vs Monotheism

I'm removing this paragraph from the end of the "Argument" section: Incidentally even if it were possible to prove design that would not prove a single designer, people from Monotheist cultures are frequently so used to monotheism that the possibility of a design team is overlooked. Indeed if a design is complex and requires intelligence a design team appears more plausible because each individual of the team would need less intelligence than a single unaided designer.

First off, it's a counter-argument and doesn't belong in that section. However, the main reason to remove it entirely is that there's a very easy counter-counter argument: angels. You say "design team", they say "angels", and you're back where you started, plus they've given themselves a small amount of psychological reinforcement from being able to defeat your argument. Much better to use a counter-argument against the actual argument from design.

However, if someone can demonstrate that this is actually useful as a counter-argument, we can make some necessary revisions and put it back in.

Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion

I am currently writing a summary of Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion and I plan to eventually transfer some of its contents into this article. The book is a significant counter-apologetic work against the design argument (at least the philosophical aspects anyway). Anyone interested in the design argument probably should check it out until I've updated this article. --Tim Sheerman-Chase 21:12, 18 February 2014 (CST)

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