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I'm planning on expanding the "rock" section to cover natural rock formations vs. art created with rocks to demonstrate a bit more about complexity and the perception of design. Sans Deity 09:58, 26 June 2006 (MST)

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Multiple creators

Matt, what about something in relation to the possibilty of multiple creators/designers?

I'm really not familiar with any claims like that and I can't really see how the rebuttal would be very different, but if there's a real argument there and it needs a response, feel free. Sans Deity 13:06, 22 May 2007 (CDT)


Copy paste violations

Whilst additions are always welcome, the last addition to this page just looks like a massive copy paste from another website or pdf ebook. It even still has reference page numbers in there... whats going on?--Murphy 08:12, 12 February 2010 (CST)

Ummm. I'm kinda new here. How can I put my 'Ultimate 747 Gambit' under the 'arguments against god' category? You can check out the article and you can do it!

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Ultimate_747_Gambit

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wissam hemadeh (talkcontribs), 28 February 2010

Craig's argument on "Who designed the designer'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id9c9HWqcTA

No good at arguing myself, but this is Craig's argument. Anyone want to take it on?

He also goes on to offer a refutation to a common objection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WdWAzoMI4E

- Rivius 11:28, 16 July 2010 (CDT)

Craig on the complexity of God

Here's Craig's argument on the complexity of God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SNpPtltyeE

To sum up, he is stating that as a disembodied being, God has no parts and is not complex. I may have oversimplified it, so please watch the video to get a proper grasp of his argument. - Rivius 11:33, 16 July 2010 (CDT)

"Design Team" vs Monotheism

I'm removing this paragraph from the end of the "Argument" section: Incidentally even if it were possible to prove design that would not prove a single designer, people from Monotheist cultures are frequently so used to monotheism that the possibility of a design team is overlooked. Indeed if a design is complex and requires intelligence a design team appears more plausible because each individual of the team would need less intelligence than a single unaided designer.

First off, it's a counter-argument and doesn't belong in that section. However, the main reason to remove it entirely is that there's a very easy counter-counter argument: angels. You say "design team", they say "angels", and you're back where you started, plus they've given themselves a small amount of psychological reinforcement from being able to defeat your argument. Much better to use a counter-argument against the actual argument from design.

However, if someone can demonstrate that this is actually useful as a counter-argument, we can make some necessary revisions and put it back in.

Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion

I am currently writing a summary of Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion and I plan to eventually transfer some of its contents into this article. The book is a significant counter-apologetic work against the design argument (at least the philosophical aspects anyway). Anyone interested in the design argument probably should check it out until I've updated this article. --Tim Sheerman-Chase 21:12, 18 February 2014 (CST)

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