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Perhaps a mention could be made of the lives saved by technology, for example without the advances in agriculture by the non-religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug the world would probably have about a billion people less, paling the deaths of any regime. | Perhaps a mention could be made of the lives saved by technology, for example without the advances in agriculture by the non-religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug the world would probably have about a billion people less, paling the deaths of any regime. | ||
[[User:BelgianAtheist|BelgianAtheist]] 09:36, 21 August 2008 (CDT) | [[User:BelgianAtheist|BelgianAtheist]] 09:36, 21 August 2008 (CDT) | ||
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| + | There is ambiguous reference to Stalin, which many people might find incredibly annoying. Here is the list of things you might want consider for accuracy | ||
| + | #1. Killings and communist crimes in USSR did not start with Stalin, nor the ended with his death. Examples are Red terror of 1918 and Prague 1968 | ||
| + | #2. if you want to find number of people killed in USSR good reference would be http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm. You mention 3 million however in some estimates it is as high as 60 millions. | ||
| + | #3. The reference to Stalin NEVER mentions that very rarely(hardly ever) people were prosecuted for their theistic believe. In fact most people were prosecuted for questioning official dogma article 58.x(http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/uk-rsfsr.html) later became article 70 (http://books.google.com/books?id=Nx0gnXpMbnsC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=soviet+criminal+code+article+70&source=bl&ots=HjmU_-AKK8&sig=MGHDxadvPWrT5uWYpk-jGH_wGB4&hl=en&ei=GuWnSrueLYSCMqbR0JIC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=soviet%20criminal%20code%20article%2070&f=false) | ||
| + | #4. As a follow up to #3 you might want to mention that official state DOGMA of communism was written as article #6 of USSS constitution of 1977 http://www.friends-partners.org/oldfriends/constitution/const-ussr1977.html | ||
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| + | Sorry for my english, but all the references to Stalin as atheist are invalid in my opinion since he was a profet(saint or whatever) of a new religion of communism which is dogmatic, unscientific (not testable, not verifiable) and quite irrational in my personal opinion. | ||
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Perhaps a mention could be made of the lives saved by technology, for example without the advances in agriculture by the non-religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug the world would probably have about a billion people less, paling the deaths of any regime. BelgianAtheist 09:36, 21 August 2008 (CDT)
secular dogma
There is ambiguous reference to Stalin, which many people might find incredibly annoying. Here is the list of things you might want consider for accuracy
- 1. Killings and communist crimes in USSR did not start with Stalin, nor the ended with his death. Examples are Red terror of 1918 and Prague 1968
- 2. if you want to find number of people killed in USSR good reference would be http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm. You mention 3 million however in some estimates it is as high as 60 millions.
- 3. The reference to Stalin NEVER mentions that very rarely(hardly ever) people were prosecuted for their theistic believe. In fact most people were prosecuted for questioning official dogma article 58.x(http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/uk-rsfsr.html) later became article 70 (http://books.google.com/books?id=Nx0gnXpMbnsC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=soviet+criminal+code+article+70&source=bl&ots=HjmU_-AKK8&sig=MGHDxadvPWrT5uWYpk-jGH_wGB4&hl=en&ei=GuWnSrueLYSCMqbR0JIC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=soviet%20criminal%20code%20article%2070&f=false)
- 4. As a follow up to #3 you might want to mention that official state DOGMA of communism was written as article #6 of USSS constitution of 1977 http://www.friends-partners.org/oldfriends/constitution/const-ussr1977.html
Sorry for my english, but all the references to Stalin as atheist are invalid in my opinion since he was a profet(saint or whatever) of a new religion of communism which is dogmatic, unscientific (not testable, not verifiable) and quite irrational in my personal opinion.
