Scientific foreknowledge in the Qur'an

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'''Qur'an science''' is a defence of the origins of the [[Qur'an]] often cited by [[Muslim]]s. Many Muslims believe that the Qur'an gives scientific information that it was impossible to get from other means than [[Allah]]. There are many claims that are made, such that the Qur'an predicted the [[Big Bang]] and the speed of light.
 
'''Qur'an science''' is a defence of the origins of the [[Qur'an]] often cited by [[Muslim]]s. Many Muslims believe that the Qur'an gives scientific information that it was impossible to get from other means than [[Allah]]. There are many claims that are made, such that the Qur'an predicted the [[Big Bang]] and the speed of light.
  
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== Orbits of the planets ==
 
== Orbits of the planets ==
  
"GOD is the ONE who created the night, the day, the sun, and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" (21:33).  
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"God hints at such orbit in the Quran: 'GOD is the ONE who created the night, the day, the sun, and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion' (21:33). Here an essential scientific fact is clearly stated, namely, the existence of the earth's, sun'so and moon's orbits; besides, a reference is made to the travelling of these celestial bodies in space with their own motion! A new concept had therefore been established in the Quran, hundreds of years before it was discovered by modern science." —[http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML Islami City Science Article]
  
"Here an essential scientific fact is clearly stated, namely, the existence of the earth's, sun'so and moon's orbits; besides, a reference is made to the travelling of these celestial bodies in space with their own motion! A new concept had therefore been established in the Quran, hundreds of years before it was discovered by modern science."
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* The verse says the Sun and Moon have orbits but says nothing of the Earth having one. This is consistent with geocentrism. This verse did not introduce a new cosmological idea.
—[http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML Islami City Science Article]
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This verse does not actually say that the earth has an orbit, only that the sun and the moon do. This is consistent with the ancient idea that the earth was orbited by the sun.  
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== Speed of light ==
 
== Speed of light ==
  
Part of the Qur'an reads as follows:
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Chapter 32 verse 5 of the Qur'an reads: "GOD rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the earth. Then this affair travels, to Him(i.e.,through the whole universe) in one day, where the measure is one thousand years of your reckoning." Using some mathematics, some Muslims conclude that this verse predicts the speed of light and thus the Qur'an is true and inspired by Allah (such as Dr. Mansour Hassab-Elnaby in his article "[http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML A New Astronomical Quranic Method for The Determination Of The Greatest Speed C]"). However, there are many problems with this argument.
  
"GOD rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the earth. Then this affair travels, to Him(i.e.,through the whole universe) in one day, where the measure is one thousand years of your reckoning."(32:5) —[http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML Islami City Science Article]
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* The verse is not unique to the Qur'an. One can find the same idea in Psalms 90:4.
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* The mathematics use modern measurements rather than the slightly different measurements contemporary to the Qur'an. That is an unstated assumption in the mathematics that the author would be using modern, more-accurate, data rather than the data available to him. One could say that's [[begging the question]].
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* Some of the mathematics are invalid because an improvising, [[ad hoc]], number was inserted so the calculation gave the desired result.
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* Even if the Qur'an predicted the speed of light accurately, the conclusion "Allah inspired the verse" is a [[non sequitur]] because Satan, aliens, Atlanteans, and so on could've inspired it.
  
Using some mathematics, some Muslims have concluded that this verse is a prediction of the speed of light. Thus they have concluded that this makes the Qur'an true and inspired by Allah.
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== Embyrology ==
  
There are some problems with this argument. One problem is that the mathematics used applies to contemporary measures of the earth's and moon's speeds, when they would have been slightly different at the time the Qur'an was written. Another problem is that this verse is not unique to the Qur'an—it is incredibly similar to a verse in the [[Psalms]].
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== Scientific inaccuracies and absurdities in the Qur'an ==
  
Another major problem is the fact that some of the mathematics are invalid, as one number is introduced ''[[ad hoc]]'' to make the calculations work.
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Hadith:
  
Even if the Qur'an did predict the speed of light, it is an invalid conclusion to reach that thus Allah had to have inspired it. One could say that aliens or the [[Devil]] had that knowledge.
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Bukhari:V4B54N421 "I walked hand in hand with the Prophet when the sun was about to set. We did not stop looking at it. The Prophet asked, 'Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?' I replied, 'Allah and His Apostle know better.' He said, 'It travels until it falls down and prostrates Itself underneath the Throne. The angels who are in charge of the sun prostrate themselves, also. The sun asks permission to rise again. It is permitted. Then it will prostrate itself again but this prostration will not be accepted. The sun then says, "My Lord, where do You command me to rise, from where I set or from where I rose?" Allah will order the sun to return whence it has come and so the sun will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the statement of Allah in the Qur'an.'" [YâSîn: 38] says ‘And the Sun runs on to its place of settlement...""
  
== Embyrology ==
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The Qur'an states:
  
== Scientific inaccuracies and absurdities in the Qur'an ==
 
  
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Until when he reached the setting of the Sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water. Near it he found a People. We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (Thou hast authority,) either to punish them or to treat them with kindness." (Q. 18:86)
  
 
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* [http://www.secweb.org/index.aspx?action=viewAsset&id=168 Richard Carrier on "The Koran Predicts the Speed of Light"]
 
* [http://www.secweb.org/index.aspx?action=viewAsset&id=168 Richard Carrier on "The Koran Predicts the Speed of Light"]
 
* [http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/sciandf/eng/c_in_quran.txt Dr. Arnold Neumater's rebuttal of the "Koran predicts the Speed of Light" argument]
 
* [http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/sciandf/eng/c_in_quran.txt Dr. Arnold Neumater's rebuttal of the "Koran predicts the Speed of Light" argument]
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

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Qur'an science is a defence of the origins of the Qur'an often cited by Muslims. Many Muslims believe that the Qur'an gives scientific information that it was impossible to get from other means than Allah. There are many claims that are made, such that the Qur'an predicted the Big Bang and the speed of light.

Contents

Origins of the universe and the Big Bang

Orbits of the planets

"God hints at such orbit in the Quran: 'GOD is the ONE who created the night, the day, the sun, and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion' (21:33). Here an essential scientific fact is clearly stated, namely, the existence of the earth's, sun'so and moon's orbits; besides, a reference is made to the travelling of these celestial bodies in space with their own motion! A new concept had therefore been established in the Quran, hundreds of years before it was discovered by modern science." —Islami City Science Article

  • The verse says the Sun and Moon have orbits but says nothing of the Earth having one. This is consistent with geocentrism. This verse did not introduce a new cosmological idea.

Speed of light

Chapter 32 verse 5 of the Qur'an reads: "GOD rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the earth. Then this affair travels, to Him(i.e.,through the whole universe) in one day, where the measure is one thousand years of your reckoning." Using some mathematics, some Muslims conclude that this verse predicts the speed of light and thus the Qur'an is true and inspired by Allah (such as Dr. Mansour Hassab-Elnaby in his article "A New Astronomical Quranic Method for The Determination Of The Greatest Speed C"). However, there are many problems with this argument.

  • The verse is not unique to the Qur'an. One can find the same idea in Psalms 90:4.
  • The mathematics use modern measurements rather than the slightly different measurements contemporary to the Qur'an. That is an unstated assumption in the mathematics that the author would be using modern, more-accurate, data rather than the data available to him. One could say that's begging the question.
  • Some of the mathematics are invalid because an improvising, ad hoc, number was inserted so the calculation gave the desired result.
  • Even if the Qur'an predicted the speed of light accurately, the conclusion "Allah inspired the verse" is a non sequitur because Satan, aliens, Atlanteans, and so on could've inspired it.

Embyrology

Scientific inaccuracies and absurdities in the Qur'an

Hadith:

Bukhari:V4B54N421 "I walked hand in hand with the Prophet when the sun was about to set. We did not stop looking at it. The Prophet asked, 'Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?' I replied, 'Allah and His Apostle know better.' He said, 'It travels until it falls down and prostrates Itself underneath the Throne. The angels who are in charge of the sun prostrate themselves, also. The sun asks permission to rise again. It is permitted. Then it will prostrate itself again but this prostration will not be accepted. The sun then says, "My Lord, where do You command me to rise, from where I set or from where I rose?" Allah will order the sun to return whence it has come and so the sun will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the statement of Allah in the Qur'an.'" [YâSîn: 38] says ‘And the Sun runs on to its place of settlement...""

The Qur'an states:


Until when he reached the setting of the Sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water. Near it he found a People. We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (Thou hast authority,) either to punish them or to treat them with kindness." (Q. 18:86)

External links

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

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