It takes more faith to disbelieve than it does to believe

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[[Atheist]]s maintain that there is no evidence for God therefore it is not necessary, logical or reasonable to believe in him (or it or them).
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==Overview==
  
Equally, not believing in fairies or Father Christmas is not an act of faith, though it is a statement of faith (in the negative).  Such requires ''less'' a statement of [[faith]], in the same sense that 0 is less then 1. In the sense that 0 is still a number and a value, Atheism can be considered a statement of faith as per [[strong atheism]], though not as per [[weak atheism]].  An atheist may wish to bring up this distinction to derail the "Atheism is a kind of faith" argument.
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[[Atheist]]s maintain that there is no [[evidence]] for [[God]], yet, therefore, it is not necessary, [[logic|logical]] or reasonable to [[belief|believe]] in him (or it or them).  When the existence of a god is demonstrated [[beyond a reasonable doubt]], then that is the time to believe. Within the context of this discussion, it's important to note the definition of faith that is relevant:
  
Some just don't want to believe, but who are Theists to criticize Atheists with Strong Atheism?  In that sense, they are both being hypocritical.  There is no evidence for the presence of a higher power, that's why theists need faith - it's used in place of evidence. But the irony is that most of them have the confidence to deny the existence of fairy tale creatures for which there is no evidence.  When it comes to Atheism, some use the lack of evidence as their justification to say that "there is no god", but at the same time as using faith, they are using the fact that there's no evidence to support their claim.
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:Faith is accepting a claim as true without sufficient evidence. Faith is an extreme form of belief.
  
It also would seem appropriate to raise the point that, as faith is a virtue of religions and they are criticizing atheists for having more faith (or the same amount they do as the case may be), they are also criticizing themselves. And as we have demonstrated that atheists do not in fact have faith, they are only criticizing themselves. An apt question to directly follow the theists objection would be "does faith prove me wrong?".
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== Counter Apologetics==
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With that in mind, not believing in fairies or Father Christmas is not an act of faith, because no claim is being accepted. Technically, such positions require ''less'' a statement of [[faith]], in the same sense that 0 is less then 1. Different kinds of atheism could be described as having different amounts of faith:
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* [[strong atheism]] - those atheists believing there is no god, with insufficient evidence
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* [[weak atheism|weak (or default) atheism]] - those atheists simply lacking a belief in the god. 
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An atheist may wish to bring up this distinction to derail the "Atheism is a kind of faith" argument, as most consider themselves weak/default atheists. (Though, some theists may try to make the claim that this category is actually [[agnosticism|agnostics]]).
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Definitionally, it doesn't make sense to say that disbelieving "takes more faith". It would be like saying that not-playing-sports requires more athletics than playing football.
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There is no evidence for the presence of a higher power, which is why theists need faith - it's used in place of evidence. The irony is that most of them have the confidence to deny the existence of fairy tale creatures from other mythologies and cultures, for which there is no evidence. 
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Most religions assert that [[faith is a virtue]], and they are criticizing atheists for having more faith (or the same amount they do as the case may be). They are only criticizing themselves. An apt question to directly follow the theists objection would be "does faith prove me wrong?".
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==Related Pages==
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*[[Atheism is based on faith]]
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*[[Atheism is a religion]]

Revision as of 15:37, 18 February 2011

Overview

Atheists maintain that there is no evidence for God, yet, therefore, it is not necessary, logical or reasonable to believe in him (or it or them). When the existence of a god is demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt, then that is the time to believe. Within the context of this discussion, it's important to note the definition of faith that is relevant:

Faith is accepting a claim as true without sufficient evidence. Faith is an extreme form of belief.

Counter Apologetics

With that in mind, not believing in fairies or Father Christmas is not an act of faith, because no claim is being accepted. Technically, such positions require less a statement of faith, in the same sense that 0 is less then 1. Different kinds of atheism could be described as having different amounts of faith:

An atheist may wish to bring up this distinction to derail the "Atheism is a kind of faith" argument, as most consider themselves weak/default atheists. (Though, some theists may try to make the claim that this category is actually agnostics).

Definitionally, it doesn't make sense to say that disbelieving "takes more faith". It would be like saying that not-playing-sports requires more athletics than playing football.

There is no evidence for the presence of a higher power, which is why theists need faith - it's used in place of evidence. The irony is that most of them have the confidence to deny the existence of fairy tale creatures from other mythologies and cultures, for which there is no evidence.

Most religions assert that faith is a virtue, and they are criticizing atheists for having more faith (or the same amount they do as the case may be). They are only criticizing themselves. An apt question to directly follow the theists objection would be "does faith prove me wrong?".

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