Category:Anthropic arguments

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The argument can be summed up as follows:
 
The argument can be summed up as follows:
  
The probability that each of these constants have taken on the values required for intelligent life to evolve, without the intervention of an outside intelligence, are astronomical.  Astronomer and Minister Hugh Ross counts more the 100 constants at a probability of about one chance in 10 to the power of 138 against their lining up as they have in our universe.  With such a low probability of a "life friendly" universe, the only reasonable explanation for our existence is that God has "fine Tuned" these attributes specifically to accommodate human life.
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The probability that each of these constants have lined up in a "life friendly" wya, without the intervention of an outside intelligence, are astronomically small.  Astronomer and Minister Hugh Ross counts more the 100 constants at a probability of about one chance in 10 to the power of 138 against their lining up as they have in our universe.  With such a low probability of a "life friendly" universe, the only reasonable explanation for our existence is that God has "fine Tuned" these attributes specifically to accommodate human life.
  
 
==Variations on a Theme==
 
==Variations on a Theme==
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# Assuming that the universal constants had to end up somewhere, the chances of them ending up at any one setting may be high, but the chances of them landing at some random setting is 100 percent.  Since any random "roll of the dice" must end with some result, all results are equally possible or impossible. Human life may have evolved because of a lucky roll of the dice.   
 
# Assuming that the universal constants had to end up somewhere, the chances of them ending up at any one setting may be high, but the chances of them landing at some random setting is 100 percent.  Since any random "roll of the dice" must end with some result, all results are equally possible or impossible. Human life may have evolved because of a lucky roll of the dice.   
 
# The underlying principals of the universe are not known.  Without knowing these principals, applying odds to the settings of the Universal constants is disingenuous.  Since we do not know how many 'settings' are possible for each constant we cannot assign valid odds for different 'settings'.
 
# The underlying principals of the universe are not known.  Without knowing these principals, applying odds to the settings of the Universal constants is disingenuous.  Since we do not know how many 'settings' are possible for each constant we cannot assign valid odds for different 'settings'.
# It can be shown that the chances of a universe having "life friendly" universal constants, high though they may be, are lower than the chances of the existence of a supernatural creator. As Michael Ikeda and Bill Jefferys point out in their paper "The Anthropic Principle Does Not Support Supernaturalism" a self referential loop occurs when a
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# It can be shown that the chances of a universe having "life friendly" universal constants, high though they may be, are lower than the chances of the existence of a supernatural creator. As Michael Ikeda and Bill Jefferys point out in their paper "The Anthropic Principle Does Not Support Supernaturalism" a self referential loop occurs when a supernatural entity is assumed as a creator.  Each iteration of the loop decreases the chances of a supernatural entity's involvement in the settings of the universal constant.
supernatural entity is assumed as a creator.  Each iteration of the loop decreases the chances of a supernatural entity's involvement in the settings of the universal constant.
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# It is unknown whether this is the only iteration of "The Universe".  If other universes exist or if this universe has oscillated through a series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, the universal constants may have been reset many times.  Given enough universes and/or Bangs, our "life friendly" settings would inevitably occur.
 
# It is unknown whether this is the only iteration of "The Universe".  If other universes exist or if this universe has oscillated through a series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, the universal constants may have been reset many times.  Given enough universes and/or Bangs, our "life friendly" settings would inevitably occur.
# The SAP and its variants assume that human observers are required for the existence of the universe.  This is a common misrepresentation of the "Copenhagen interpretation" of quantum mechanics. It is taken from the mental experiment called Schrödinger's cat.  A cat is placed in a sealed box into which poison will be pumped when the nucleus of a certain atom decays.  According to the Copenhagen interpretation, the atom exists as both decayed and undecayed (superpositioned) until a measurement is made.  Since the atom must exist in this superpositioned state, the cat must exist in the same state until the box is opened.  Note that the cat does not cease to exist, nor does the atom's nucleus.  They simple exist in an unobserved state. The 'wave forms' that represent the experiments possibilities have
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# The SAP and its variants assume that human observers are required for the existence of the universe.  This is a common misrepresentation of the "Copenhagen interpretation" of quantum mechanics. It is taken from the mental experiment called Schrödinger's cat.  A cat is placed in a sealed box into which poison will be pumped when the nucleus of a certain atom decays.  According to the Copenhagen interpretation, the atom exists as both decayed and undecayed (superpositioned) until a measurement is made.  Since the atom must exist in this superpositioned state, the cat must exist in the same state until the box is opened.  Note that the cat does not cease to exist, nor does the atom's nucleus.  They simple exist in an unobserved state. The 'wave forms' that represent the experiments possibilities have not collapse into a single 'choice'. If we accept the most mystical interpretation of quantum mechanics, the universe would still exist without human intelligence. It would simple exist in an unobserved state.
not collapse into a single 'choice'. If we accept the most mystical interpretation of quantum mechanics, the universe would still exist without human intelligence, it would simple exist in an unobserved state.
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# Most physicists do not accept the most mystical interpretation of quantum mechanics. Instead they view 'wave form collapse' and 'superpositioning' as extremely useful and accurate description of poorly understood processes.   
 
# Most physicists do not accept the most mystical interpretation of quantum mechanics. Instead they view 'wave form collapse' and 'superpositioning' as extremely useful and accurate description of poorly understood processes.   
 
# With the SAP, apologists are positing a "God of the Gaps". The SAP and its variants take as fact what most cosmologists take as speculation.  Cosmologists are making highly educated guesses about how the universe works.  No one currently knows how the Universe started or what underpins it.  This gap in our knowledge may provide a place for a god to exist, but humankind has examined other holes into which God was suppose to have climbed.  In each case we have found nothing there but nature.  It is a good bet that this gap houses fascinating things, but no God.     
 
# With the SAP, apologists are positing a "God of the Gaps". The SAP and its variants take as fact what most cosmologists take as speculation.  Cosmologists are making highly educated guesses about how the universe works.  No one currently knows how the Universe started or what underpins it.  This gap in our knowledge may provide a place for a god to exist, but humankind has examined other holes into which God was suppose to have climbed.  In each case we have found nothing there but nature.  It is a good bet that this gap houses fascinating things, but no God.     

Revision as of 21:38, 26 July 2006

The anthropic principal simply states that there are several universal constants and that these constants take on their values according the requirement that carbon based life can evolve at some point during the universe's history. The universe must be old enough that this has already occurred.

Brandon Carter, the British Cosmologist who proposed this principal in 1976, has gone further by stating that “the Universe must have those properties which allow life to develop within it at some stage in its history.”

Some religious people and organizations have interpreted this to mean that the universe has been "fine tuned" for human life by an outside intelligence.

The argument can be summed up as follows:

The probability that each of these constants have lined up in a "life friendly" wya, without the intervention of an outside intelligence, are astronomically small. Astronomer and Minister Hugh Ross counts more the 100 constants at a probability of about one chance in 10 to the power of 138 against their lining up as they have in our universe. With such a low probability of a "life friendly" universe, the only reasonable explanation for our existence is that God has "fine Tuned" these attributes specifically to accommodate human life.

Variations on a Theme

There are two major variations on the anthropic principal, "strong" and "weak". The strong anthropic principal (SAP) can also be divided into two other variations, "participatory" and "Final".

  1. The weak anthropic principal (WAP): "The weak anthropic principle states that in a universe that is large or infinite in space and/or in time, the conditions necessary for the development of intelligent life will be met only in certain regions that are limited in space and time. The intelligent beings in these regions should therefore not be surprised if they observe that their locality in the universe satisfies the conditions that are necessary for their existence." (Steven Hawking. A Brief History of Time)
  2. The strong anthropic principal (SAP): This form states that a universe "must have those properties which allow life to develop within it at some stage of its history." (John Barrow and Frank Tipler, The Anthropic Cosmological Principle)
  3. The participatory anthropic principle (PAP): This form states that "Observers are necessary to bring the universe into being." (John Barrow and Frank Tipler, The Anthropic Cosmological Principle)
  4. The final anthropic principle (FAP): This form states that intelligences must evolve within a universe and that once evolved will not die out.

The FAP has also been dubbed "the Completely Ridiculous Anthropic Principle (CRAP)" by author and skeptic Martin Gardner.

Counter-arguments

  1. The AP is an unproven speculation that reveals mankind's egocentrism. Douglas Adams, the humorist and atheist, once said "It’s rather like a puddle waking up one morning— I know they don’t normally do this, but allow me, I’m a science fiction writer— A puddle wakes up one morning and thinks: 'This is a very interesting world I find myself in. It fits me very neatly. In fact it fits me so neatly… I mean really precise isn’t it?… It must have been made to have me in it.'"
  2. Assuming that the universal constants had to end up somewhere, the chances of them ending up at any one setting may be high, but the chances of them landing at some random setting is 100 percent. Since any random "roll of the dice" must end with some result, all results are equally possible or impossible. Human life may have evolved because of a lucky roll of the dice.
  3. The underlying principals of the universe are not known. Without knowing these principals, applying odds to the settings of the Universal constants is disingenuous. Since we do not know how many 'settings' are possible for each constant we cannot assign valid odds for different 'settings'.
  4. It can be shown that the chances of a universe having "life friendly" universal constants, high though they may be, are lower than the chances of the existence of a supernatural creator. As Michael Ikeda and Bill Jefferys point out in their paper "The Anthropic Principle Does Not Support Supernaturalism" a self referential loop occurs when a supernatural entity is assumed as a creator. Each iteration of the loop decreases the chances of a supernatural entity's involvement in the settings of the universal constant.
  5. It is unknown whether this is the only iteration of "The Universe". If other universes exist or if this universe has oscillated through a series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, the universal constants may have been reset many times. Given enough universes and/or Bangs, our "life friendly" settings would inevitably occur.
  6. The SAP and its variants assume that human observers are required for the existence of the universe. This is a common misrepresentation of the "Copenhagen interpretation" of quantum mechanics. It is taken from the mental experiment called Schrödinger's cat. A cat is placed in a sealed box into which poison will be pumped when the nucleus of a certain atom decays. According to the Copenhagen interpretation, the atom exists as both decayed and undecayed (superpositioned) until a measurement is made. Since the atom must exist in this superpositioned state, the cat must exist in the same state until the box is opened. Note that the cat does not cease to exist, nor does the atom's nucleus. They simple exist in an unobserved state. The 'wave forms' that represent the experiments possibilities have not collapse into a single 'choice'. If we accept the most mystical interpretation of quantum mechanics, the universe would still exist without human intelligence. It would simple exist in an unobserved state.
  7. Most physicists do not accept the most mystical interpretation of quantum mechanics. Instead they view 'wave form collapse' and 'superpositioning' as extremely useful and accurate description of poorly understood processes.
  8. With the SAP, apologists are positing a "God of the Gaps". The SAP and its variants take as fact what most cosmologists take as speculation. Cosmologists are making highly educated guesses about how the universe works. No one currently knows how the Universe started or what underpins it. This gap in our knowledge may provide a place for a god to exist, but humankind has examined other holes into which God was suppose to have climbed. In each case we have found nothing there but nature. It is a good bet that this gap houses fascinating things, but no God.

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