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There are no atheists

2008-11-07T17:37:25Z

Illogicology: corrected link error

{{argument-stub}} Some apologists apparently believe that everyone really believes in [[God]], and anyone who claims not to believe is simply lying, or [[angry at God]]. They may claim that [[atheism]] is a form of rebellion, or that God is so indelibly written on everyone's heart that no one can deny belief. The argument is frequently supported by the claim that it is impossible to know definitively that there is no God, therefore an atheist must be an [[agnostic]]. This argument is fallacious as it incorrectly assumes that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive.

[[Category:Criticisms of atheism]]

There are no atheists

2008-11-07T17:36:30Z

Illogicology: added that this argument is frequently supported by the assertion that atheists are actually agnostic and why this is fallacious.

{{argument-stub}} Some apologists apparently believe that everyone really believes in [[God]], and anyone who claims not to believe is simply lying, or [[angry at God]]. They may claim that [[atheism]] is a form of rebellion, or that God is so indelibly written on everyone's heart that no one can deny belief. The argument is frequently supported by the claim that it is impossible to know definitively that there is no God, therefore an atheist must be an [[agnostic.]] This argument is fallacious as it incorrectly assumes that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive.

[[Category:Criticisms of atheism]]

Talk:Big Daddy? (Chick tract)

2008-11-07T17:23:10Z

Illogicology: Including more pictures?

Panel 7's footnote - "It has never been against the law to teach creationism in public schools."
There's another red herring here...a bit of misdirection. The footnote is true, it's never been against the law to teach creationism...provided you teach it in a comparative religions class (or similar), and not as science or fact. You're correct to point out that the student is justified in expressing his religious opinion - though I'd add that the primary justification for this because he was '''asked''' to do so.

Going through the various rulings on the subject we see a clearer picture (all rulings affect public schools only):
* Epperson v. Arkansas (Supreme)
** Schools cannot ban evolution
* Edwards v. Aguillard (Supreme)
** Schools cannot require equal time for creationism
** (Note that this is probably the case you meant to cite as it specifically targets "equal time" issues)
* McLean v Arkansas (District)
** Creation science is religious dogma (unchangeable with new evidence) which means it's not science
** As it's not science, it can't be taught as fact and "equal time" is not allowed
* Webster v. New Lennox School District (7th Circuit)
** Teachers can't take it upon themselves to teach creationism
** Doing so is a violation of the 1st amendment, just as if it had been ordered by the school
** This is the key case that points out the critical flaw in the footnote. If creationism is taught in science class, by a teacher, it's illegal.

You can use this or ignore it, I'll probably put together a quickie article on creationism in the public schools, based on these and other items - though I have no idea how quickly I'll get to that. [[User:Sans Deity|Sans Deity]] 23:14, 18 August 2006 (MST)
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I created and added a template to this page, let me know what you think. Mediawiki is pretty good about handling edit merges, but as the wiki community grows, it seems like adding a quick warning about editing a work in progress seems like a good idea.

There's another option available to you, also - click the protect tab. Only sysops will be allowed to edit the page and it posts a warning on the edit screen...which should be enough to keep us from stepping on each other's toes. Just remove the protect setting when you're done and it'll be back to normal.[[User:Sans Deity|Sans Deity]] 14:32, 19 August 2006 (MST)
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== Including more pictures? ==

As Jack Chick is drowning the world in these little nuggets would it be possible to include more panels rather than transcribing.
Any suggestions how we can check up on the legality of that (and whether it's actually a worthwhile contribution to the page.)