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Talk:Belief

2012-11-21T00:20:03Z

Dcljr: Philosophically confusing

I don't understand the [[Belief#Philosophically|"Philosophically" section]]. I don't know whether it's just trying to be too succinct to be understandable to a "layman" (well... me), or whether it's just badly written (there are a couple of grammatical mistakes in there, so that supports the latter hypothesis). Perhaps someone could try their hand at a rewrite? - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 18:20, 20 November 2012 (CST)

User talk:Kazim

2012-07-16T12:00:31Z

Dcljr: /* Junk accounts now creating other junk accounts? */ new section

In the [[Special:Logs|Logs]], I see you deleted [[Iron Chariots Wiki:Searching]] on Aug 19th, saying, "''This is the second time this page has popped up as a redirect, and I don't know why''". I do. It's linked to from the [[Special:Search/fubar|Search results]] page when you do an unsuccessful search (follow last link to see example). - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 02:07, 26 August 2006 (MST)
: Actually, it shows up on [http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?search=bible&fulltext=Search successful searches], too. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 02:36, 26 August 2006 (MST)

==Known issues==
Since registering a few hours ago, I've made an initial pass through the wiki (main navigation pages, special pages) looking for "obvious" problems. I've collected them at [[User:Dcljr/Sandbox]]. Basically, I wanted to give you (and [[User:Sans Deity|Matt]]) a heads-up before I go in changing everything. <w> - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 03:41, 26 August 2006 (MST)

== Spaces in URLs ==

I've replied on [[User talk:Dcljr#Wow|my talk page]]. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 03:13, 29 August 2006 (MST)

== Comment-box ==
The only extra typing which is required is "text=" (as you could just start the text section with <nowiki>'''Comment:'''</nowiki>). The old comment-box didn't format correctly in every situation (if, for example a picture or menu div or anything else exists to the right or left of it) which required me to make comment-box2 (to adjust the right margin) and might have eventually lead to comment-box3,4,5,6,7,8,9 (to adjust left margin or color or anything else). That could all be replaced with one template, so why not do it? Additionally, templates which use <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> (unnamed parameters) have additional limitations that prevent some "behind the scenes" stuff from working - unnamed parameters, for example, don't always work well when referencing one template from within another. - [[User:Sans Deity|Sans Deity]] 10:44, 10 September 2006 (CDT)

: Actually, using "text=" AND typing the extra bolded word "comment" is a lot of extra typing, especially considering that it will be repeated many times over throughout the course of an article.
: Despite the issues you raised, it seems to me that the generic box is shorter and easier for most simple text. What if I reintroduced Comment-box and made it reference Comment-box1 as a special case? Then we could still use Comment-box1 any time we need to use a picture or whatever. -- [[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 11:14, 10 September 2006 (CDT)
:: I guess that would be ok, the problem is that if people add pictures or sidebars later, without properly understanding the templates it's going to be a bit of work for them to figure out that the need to completely change which template is referenced. Instead of looking at the template in use and simply changing/adding a parameter, they now have to completely switch templates. I'd rather type a little extra now so that the only thing an editor would need to do is add a "width=" (or similar). I suppose it's ok to have a million templates but I just want the templates to be manageable and having one template that had a pretty solid default function while allowing optional parameters to be set. One thing we'll definitely want to do, either way, is categorize templates and make sure that they're well documented - which would include documenting all similar template.

:: Generally, I'm of the opinion that "Comment-box1" shouldn't be considered a "special case" template, it should be the default - because it's the one that doesn't suffer from the problems that "Comment-box" suffers from. But that's just me...add it if you like, I'll be typing the extra few characters. To me, it's not just about which solution requires me to type less, it's about which solution is more useful and simpler. Why learn many templates for comment boxes when you only have to learn one? Maybe we don't want every comment in a given article to have the "Comment:" preface, some should maybe be "See also:" or "Response:". Maybe we don't want them all to be the same color...if a particular comment is more important or references another article it may deserve another color. Comments where we agree with the apologist might deserve a different color than where we disagree or where their claims represent immoral beliefs. - [[User:Sans Deity|Sans Deity]] 20:33, 10 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doubting Thomas and Kirk Cameron? ==

I don't understand how the "[[I used to be an atheist]]" argument has precedent in [[Doubting Thomas]] (see [http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=I_used_to_be_an_atheist&curid=1378&diff=7905&oldid=6269&rcid=6554 this change]). Could you please spell it out? --[[User:Arensb|Arensb]] 10:34, 15 December 2007 (CST)
:Expanded now; see article. --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 18:40, 15 December 2007 (CST)

== citations ==

Are website citations and references possible on this wiki? I have yet to find a page that uses them, so I Decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to ask.
--[[User:Enshoku|Enshoku]] 21:12, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
:I think I know what you're talking about, but you might want to check with dcljr. He's kind of our resident Wiki technician.
--[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 06:50, 30 April 2008 (CDT)
::Will ask, thanks for the help!
--[[User:Enshoku|Enshoku]] 17:25, 30 April 2008 (CDT)

== Vandal ==

Watch for a Vandal calling himself Yerranos. He's a fundy Christian doing secular Wikis. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:32, 21 June 2008 (CDT)

:Thanks for the tip. I have to say I misread your message the first time, and I went through your own recent edits saying to myself, "Hey, Proxima Centauri doesn't sound so much like a vandal..." :) --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 10:31, 22 June 2008 (CDT)

Yeah, I've been meaning to talk to you about this. How do you make sure no one is vandalizing the wiki? What if some Christian like Yerranos starts deleting articles. Will our work be wasted?--[[User:Wissam hemadeh|wissam hemadeh]] 15:18, 5 April 2010 (CDT)

== Donations ==

Hello, Russell

I've been hoping you guys would get an automated donation system going by now, but decided to press the issue. I demand that you give me a way to send money to this project!

Hmm, let's see. I think there's supposed to be something I do at the end of a wiki edit. Maybe this is it. [[User:Beriukay|Beriukay]] 07:41, 13 May 2009 (CDT)

: Hi Beriukay, thanks for your interest. If you want to donate, I suggest you sent it to the Atheist Community of Austin and mark your donation as earmarked for Iron Chariots. You can donate at [http://atheist-community.org/donate/ this link].

:: Thanks Kazim. That was painless. [[User:Beriukay|Beriukay]]

== Short URL ==

You might've already considered it, or maybe even never thought about it, but having index.php?title= in the sites URLs looks yucky, unprofessional, and somewhat annoying if manually typing out an address. It's relatively easy to get rid of the index.php?title= part so it's like it is on Wikipedia. Instructions can be found [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Setup_steps here] - [[User:Aardvark|Aardvark]] 07:26, 17 June 2009 (CDT)

== Wiki Date / Time is off ==

The wiki's clock seems to be off by more than a week.... [[User:Jwissick|Jwissick]] 01:38, 5 April 2010 (CDT)

== A suggestion ==

I've been doing some research and found some huge websites related to religious issues. Unfortunately, Christians and Muslims dominate the web. I was thinking of doing some more group projects on this wiki, as in critiques of theistic websites, articles, books, debates, philosopgers (Craig, Plantinga, Swinburne, Behe) etc etc. I don't get the obsession with Ray Comfort- he's the dumbest person I've seen.--[[User:Wissam hemadeh|wissam hemadeh]] 15:27, 5 April 2010 (CDT)

Also, the wiki seems to have little insight on the religions themselves. What we have is great but take a look at this website for example, www.answering-islam.com >It's a Christian website which attacks Islam, and it is extraordinary.--[[User:Wissam hemadeh|wissam hemadeh]] 15:27, 5 April 2010 (CDT)

:Feel free to add them! --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 14:28, 15 April 2010 (CDT)

== Activation of LaTeX? ==

The UI for this site has a math button, but it doesn't work:

<math>\hat{H}|\psi\rangle = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} |\psi\rangle</math>

Is it possible to get this enabled? There's a basic guide here:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Enable_TeX

I've done stuff kinda like this before; it could be time-consuming or trivial depending on what kind of server you've got set up. Just curious if this could be fixed. It's more than a little weird being on a site that talks about science and logic, and only having HTML to work with, but I know you guys are busy, so it's not a huge deal if that's all we've got.

== Christhiru is a Dick ==

I've never used wiki software before so I'm not sure if this is the right place to posit this, but every change the user Christhiru has made needs to be undone and his account needs to be banned. He basically deletes entire, valid, well formed, articles and occasionally adds a link to his sh*tty apologist blog. I have no idea how to go about undoing his many changes to the site or how to launch some kind of formal complaint, but Christhiru is a dick and he needs to be stopped ASAP.

== FF searchplugin ==

I've been trying to work out how to make an Iron Chariots searchplugin for firefox for the last few hours to no avail. Can you help me or defer to someone who could help me? I think it would also be a good idea to add an autodiscovery feature to the site just so people can 'add' the site to the search bar.

== Secularism and Xianity ==

Sorry for posting this on this talk page, but for some reason I cannot use the forum - I tried numerous times, used different names, but still it never allows me in. Anyway, Im here for some help. Over the years, I have heard from many Christians that their religion is responsible for creating many things (reason, science, democracy, morality, ect.) and I am sure we have heard some form of it once. For this, I recently created the article [[Christianity invented science]] and explained why it is wrong. I chose this one because it is growing in the conservative academia and Christian apologetic literature. However, there is just one more topic I want to address, the delusion that Christianity invented secularism. I would not bother with this unless it was no growing as well, but I see it very frequently. Anyway, I know we already have a article on separation of church and state, but I wanted to know if I should create an entirely new article refuting the stance that secularism is a Christian idea and separation of church and state was invented to keep government out of religion and not the other way around. What should I do? [[User:Feredir28|Wolf]] 15:35, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

:You probably should have read the instructions in the [http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewtopic.php?t=278 access request forum]. Anyway, I've added Feredir28 to the member group, I'm assuming that's you. [[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 12:52, 13 September 2011 (CDT)

::Thank you, I shall move this topic to the forum. Pardons for not noticing that page. Yes, I'm Feredir. Again, thank you. [[User:Feredir28|Wolf]] 14:08, 13 September 2011 (CDT)

== Ray Comfort ==

Have you plans to write a refutation of Ray Comfort’s views? [[Talk:Ray Comfort#"Favorite arguments" section|Two users are concerned]]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:08, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, have there been any more advances on that? Oh and Kazim? we need another plug for iron chariots on the Non-Prophets, we havent had one FOREVER!....and congrats on the wedding!I made a [[Rick Perry]] page,and it has something on it about a group called the New Apostolic Reformation you should read...the youtube video I linked to summarizing it was rather good, it would be humorous on the show.....
[[User:WhatsAGoodUsername?|WhatsAGoodUsername?]]

:I've already clearly expressed what I'd like the Ray Comfort page to look like on the associated talk page, and it doesn't include extensive argumentation -- that's for pages about arguments. I will try to remember to plug IC on Saturday, and I'll also be talking with Matt about what needs to happen next with software upgrades and anti-spam measures. --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 17:16, 18 November 2011 (CST)

okay, thanks for the update. [[User:WhatsAGoodUsername?|WhatsAGoodUsername?]]

= SPAM SUCKS! =
If you need another person to help delete spam, I'm game.I dont have much else to do, other than play xbox. [[User:WhatsAGoodUsername?|WhatsAGoodUsername?]]

I see that a boatload of accounts got created while you were upgrading MediaWiki, before you disabled account creation. Did you manage to delete those accounts in the database, or does someone need to go through them and block them?
Since most spammer accounts are throwaways, maybe I should just ignore them until they start actively spamming. --[[User:Arensb|Arensb]] 09:49, 26 February 2012 (CST)

: Your call, If they haven't already spammed by now then maybe they won't. --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 10:15, 26 February 2012 (CST)

== Wiki TLC ==

Just wondering if it's possible to upgrade the wiki software to a more recent version. I also noticed you're getting a lot of spambots registering, and there are some extensions that could be installed that would help prevent so many from getting through. Finally, it looks like most of the wiki's administrators haven't been very active recently, which while I'm sure have they good reasons, means you might want to think about adding some trusted active users to the list. I know how much of a pain running a wiki without active patrolling can be, and this seems like a good resource for those questioning their religious beliefs, so I hope it gets the attention it deserves. --[[User:Resplendent|Resplendent]] 00:39, 14 February 2012 (CST)

:Matt Dillahunty is the only person who has the admin login for the server. He keeps telling me he'll get around to upgrading it eventually, but hasn't had time to get around to it. He told me that it could speed up the process if I would back up the server contents on my computer, but he has yet to send me the login info. I have been reminding him for MONTHS to do this, but he apparently has better things to do. My hands are tied, I would do something if I could. --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 06:15, 14 February 2012 (CST)

::FYI the wiki is upgraded, now I just need to work out what are the best steps to take in order to prevent spam. For now, new account creation is disabled. --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 10:15, 26 February 2012 (CST)

== Trying out the "cite" extension ==

The banana is the atheist's worst nightmare! <ref>Ray Comfort</ref>
<references />

== Cue Handel's ''Messiah''... ==

''[[Special:Version|Thank you!]]'' [bg] Now, if we can just get to work on [[Project:Interwiki map (requests)|expanding the interwiki map]], enabling [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Setup_steps short URLs] and [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions additional parser functions] (and possibly installing the [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math math] and/or [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs flagged revisions] extensions)... [w] BTW, regarding spam, see [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_vandalism MediaWiki:Manual:Combating vandalism] and maybe the list of extensions at [[Wikipedia:Special:Version]] for ideas, if you haven't already. Oh, and note that we now have [//wiki.ironchariots.org/api.php an API]. I'm not sure this really changes anything WRT spam/vandalism, but it might. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 16:16, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
:Thanks for the list. I'll get on that as soon as I can. I had already been reading the Combating Vandalism page, but so far all I did was install the blacklist. As it turns out, that only blocks people from creating shady URL links, which is nice, but it doesn't stop them from registering hundreds of junk accounts. I intend to add Captcha to the registration process and then keep reading. I'll add the other stuff you requested when I have the time, but I've been busy with a move lately. --[[User:Kazim|Kazim]] 16:09, 14 March 2012 (CDT)
::The best extension I found to block spam accounts is [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount this one], though it does still require some time/effort due to manual approvals. --[[User:Resplendent|Resplendent]] 01:32, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

== Captcha ==

Testing captcha

I added this link: [http://freethoughtblogs.com Freethought Blogs]. Captcha should challenge me now.

== Junk accounts now creating other junk accounts? ==

Um, how were [http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=IDANAEDGERTON534 these] [http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=MACYNMACAULAY725 "users"] [http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=HAINESRAFIYA249 able] to create ''other'' user accounts? - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 07:00, 16 July 2012 (CDT)

User talk:Dhasenan

2012-07-16T11:27:06Z

Dcljr: please sign your comments on talk pages

Please [[Project:sign your comments|sign your comments]] on talk pages. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 06:27, 16 July 2012 (CDT)

Implication

2012-07-16T11:12:48Z

Dcljr: point to WP article that's about what this article is actually talking about

{{wikipedia|Material conditional}}
'''Implication''' is a [[logic]]al operation on two statements, typically represented by the variables P and Q. "P '''implies''' Q" is written symbolically as "P → Q". Equivalent statements include:
* "'''if''' P '''then''' Q"
* "P is '''sufficient''' for Q"
* "Q is '''necessary''' for P"

The statement "if P then Q" is called a '''conditional''' statement; P is known as the '''antecedent''' and Q the '''consequent'''.

The statement "P '''if and only if''' Q", a '''biconditional''' statement, means the same thing as "P implies Q, and Q implies P". Other equivalent meanings include:
* "P is '''logically equivalent''' to Q"
* "P is a necessary and sufficient condition for Q".

The phrase "if and only if" is often abbreviated '''iff''', especially in mathematics.

Other related concepts, discussed below, include:
* [[#Unless and only if|'''unless''' and '''only if''']]
* [[#Transformations of conditionals|'''contrapositive''', '''inverse''', and '''converse''']]


==Definition==
Implication, the result of "P → Q" is defined by the following table:
{| class="wikitable"
| '''P'''
| '''Q'''
| '''P→Q'''
|-
| True
| True
| True
|-
| True
| False
| False
|-
| False
| True
| True
|-
| False
| False
| True
|}

Note that if P is true, then Q must also be true for the implication to hold (be true). However, if P is false, Q ''may or may not'' be true and the implication still holds.

To illustrate the latter fact, consider a teacher who tells her class that any student who gets 100% on the final exam will pass the class. In other words:
: '''P''': A student gets 100% on the final.
: '''Q''': That student passes the class.
: '''P → Q''': If a student gets 100% on the final, then that student passes the class.
Now consider the case in which two students do poorly on the final exam; one of them did well enough on the other exams to pass the course, but the other did not. Did the teacher lie?

No. She said nothing about students who do ''not'' get 100% on the final (i.e., the case where P is false). Unless there is a student who both got 100% on the final and did not pass the course, the teacher told the truth.

For this reason, "P → Q" can be restated as "¬(P &and; ¬ Q)" or "not (P and not Q)", or "it is not the case that P is true and Q is false".

In summary, the following statements are equivalent:
{| class="wikitable"
! In symbols !! In English
|-
| P → Q || P implies Q; if P then Q; P sufficient for Q; Q necessary for P
|-
| ¬(P &and; ¬Q) || not(P and not Q)
|-
| ¬P &or; Q || (not P) or Q   [equivalent by [[De Morgan's laws]]]
|-
| ¬Q → ¬P || not Q implies not P
|}

==Unless and only if==

The statement "P '''unless''' Q" can be translated using implication as "if not Q, then P".

The statement "P '''only if''' Q" is equivalent to "if not Q, then not P", or just "if P then Q". (Note that it is ''not'' equivalent to the superficially similar "P if Q", which means "if Q then P".)

Often "unless" is used in statements with the first proposition negated: "not P unless Q" means "if not Q then not P", or "if P then Q", and so is equivalent to "P only if Q".

To illustrate how "only if" and "unless" statements work, consider a concrete example:
: I will pass the class only if I study hard.
What this means is:
: If I don't study hard, then I won't pass the class.
Or, equivalently (as explained [[#Definition|above]]):
: I can't both not study hard ''and'' pass the class.
If the last statement were not equivalent to the original, then I might be able to not study and still pass the class — but this contradicts my original assertion that it was ''only'' by studying hard that I would pass.

Using an "unless" statement to say the same thing:
: I won't pass the class unless I study hard.
This means I'll want to study hard to give myself a ''chance'' to pass, but it doesn't ''guarantee'' that I will pass; on the other hand, ''not'' studying will guarantee that I don't pass.

Symbolically, using
: S = I (do/will) study hard.
: P = I (do/will) pass the class.
all of these statements can be written as
: '''¬ S → ¬ P''': If I don't study hard, then I won't pass the class.
or, equivalently
: '''P → S''': If I do pass the class then I will study hard.

Rephrasing the last statement to make more sense grammatically:
: If I end up passing the class, then I must have studied hard.

==Transformations of conditionals==

Given a conditional statement "if P then Q", there are many ways of transforming the statement to other conditionals that may or may not be logically equivalent.
: '''Original''': P → Q   ("P implies Q")
: '''Contrapositive''': ¬Q → ¬P   ("not Q implies not P") — this is logically equivalent
: '''Inverse''': ¬P → ¬Q   ("not P implies not Q") — ''not'' equivalent
: '''Converse''': Q → P   ("Q implies P") — ''not'' equivalent

For more information, see [[Wikipedia:Contraposition]].

==Quantifiers==
In [[predicate logic]], statements containing "all" or "for all" can be re-expressed as conditional statements in [[propositional logic]] in the following way:
: ''Statement in predicate logic'': All squares are rectangles.
: ''Statement in propositional logic'': If a figure is a square, then it is a rectangle.
Note how the statement in propositional logic refers to a larger context (figures) that is not explicitly stated in the predicate-logic version.

An interesting effect of "all" statements being equivalent to "if" statements is that the following "nonsensical" statement is actually true:
* All positive numbers that are both even and odd are divisible by 17.
How can this be? Clearly there are no positive numbers that are both even and odd, so how can they be divisible by 17? Well, the above statement is equivalent to the following:
* If there is any positive number that is both even and odd, then it will be divisible by 17.
The antecedent here (the "if" part) is false, but we have seen that a conditional statement is true when its antecedent is false, no matter what the consequent is; so the statement is true.

{{Formal logic}}

[[Category:Logic]]

Iron Chariots Wiki:Interwiki map (requests)

2012-03-13T22:02:19Z

Dcljr: /* Requested additions/changes */ link 1st column, so we can see when new prefixes go live; add some comments; update one URL

This page is for '''requesting changes to our [[Project:Interwiki map|interwiki map]]'''. (See also [[Wikipedia:InterWiki]] for background information.)

''Things to note:''
* Before requesting that we add a site, please check our [[Project:Interwiki map (full)|''full'' interwiki map]] to make sure we don't already have interwiki linking enabled for it.
* Websites in the map need not be [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]], but they do need to have a well defined page name structure that lends itself to wiki links. Don't add a site unless its pages can be predictably linked to using a link of the form:
*: {{l|''SitePrefix'':''PageName''}}
* ''SitePrefix'' will be replaced by a fixed ''[[Wikipedia:URL|URL]]'', as listed in the table below, with ''PageName'' substituted for "<tt>$1</tt>" in the URL). ''PageName'' can contain spaces but they will be converted to underscores(<tt>_</tt>) in the final URL, not plus signs (<tt>+</tt>) nor hex codes (<tt>%20</tt>). If this won't work properly for your website, then it's probably not worth adding it to the interwiki map.
* The ''SitePrefix'' codes, which are [[Wiktionary:case insensitive|case insensitive]], must not contain any spaces (<tt> </tt>), colons (<tt>:</tt>), ampersands (<tt>&</tt>), or equal signs (<tt>=</tt>) — in fact, we probably should just avoid punctuation completely. They should also not match any of this wiki's [[Project:Namespaces|namespaces]], nor any [[Wikipedia:ISO 639|ISO 639 language codes]] (en, de, fr, ...), just in case we decide to expand [[Iron Chariots]] to separate language wikis in the future (see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Interlanguage links|Wikipedia:Interlanguage links]] for more information about this).
* Please keep the ''SitePrefix'' codes '''easily identifiable'''. People should be able to tell what site you're referring to, more or less, even if they're not very familiar with the "wikiverse" (for example, using "wikt" for [[Wiktionary:Main Page|Wiktionary]] is a bad idea, even if it is an acceptable prefix when linking from other [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia|Wikimedia]] sites).
* If you don't want to suggest a ''SitePrefix'', we can come up with one for you.
* Please sign your request with three or four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) if you want a response from us — or just in case we need to discuss it with you further.

With the foregoing caveats in mind, feel free to add any wikis or other ''relevant'' websites to the table below.

<center><big>'''[http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Iron_Chariots_Wiki:Interwiki_map_%28requests%29&action=edit&section=1 Add your request]'''</big></center>

==Requested additions/changes==
If you want to discuss potential changes before suggesting them here, please visit the [[Project talk:Interwiki map (requests)|discussion page]].

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! SitePrefix !! URL !! Comments
|-
| [[Example:]] || http://www.example.org/wiki/$1 || This line is only an example. Add your request below. - <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
|-
| [[Forum:]] || http://forum.ironchariots.org/$1 || I thought it'd be nice to have a interwiki for our discussion forum(s). I know the links won't be able to use regular English phrases, as with links to sites like Wikipedia, but at least this entry would allow <tt><nowiki>[[:Forum:]]</nowiki></tt> to link to the [http://forum.ironchariots.org/ Forum Index]. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 13:01, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
|-
| [[ForumNumber:]] || http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewforum.php?f=$1 || I assume once a forum gets a number, it's "permanent"... For example, <tt><nowiki>[[ForumNumber:6]]</nowiki></tt> would link to the [http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewforum.php?f=6 General Discussion] forum. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] <small>''Note:'' My assumption is correct. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 17:02, 13 March 2012 (CDT)</small>
|-
| [[ForumTopic:]] || http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewtopic.php?t=$1 || Likewise for topics. Example: <tt><nowiki>[[ForumTopic:95]]</nowiki></tt> would link to the [http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewtopic.php?t=95 Jesus Camp] thread. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] <small>''Note:'' This works, too. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 17:02, 13 March 2012 (CDT)</small>
|-
| [[Evowiki:]] || <s>http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/$1</s><br/>http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/$1 || Iron Chariots is primarily about atheism, not creationism vs. evolution. It would be nice to have a shortcut with which to refer readers to a specialized evolution wiki. - --[[User:Arensb|Arensb]] 17:48, 1 April 2007 (CDT)<br/> Updated URL to current version. ''Note:'' While this prefix already exists in our interwiki map, it points to an old URL causing all interwiki links to articles at EvoWiki to be redirected to the Main Page. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 17:02, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
|-
| [[Wikiversity:]] || http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/$1 || Latest Wikimedia project will surely have relevant material soon, if it doesn't already. All other Wikimedia sites already have working prefixes here. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 22:32, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
|-
| [[AtheismWiki:]] || http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/$1 || Obviously highly relevant; even though it's a Wikia and therefore ''could'' be linked to using the general {{l|WikiaSite:}} interwiki link (example: {{ll|WikiaSite:Atheism:Christian morality}}, it would be much more convenient to have a special code for it. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 04:59, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
|-
| [[ReligionWiki:]] || http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/$1 || See previous entry. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 04:59, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
|-
| [[MediaWiki:]] || http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/$1 || Useful for pointing people to MediaWiki documentation on talk pages, in template documentation, etc. (Note that if this prefix doesn't work when actually added to database, then we could use [[mw:]] or [[MediaWikiWiki:]], both of which are in the current [[WikimediaMeta:Interwiki map|interwiki map of Wikimedia sites]].) - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 17:02, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
|}

==Requested deletions==

List any sites you feel should be removed from our [[Project:Interwiki map (full)|interwiki map]] (to avoid any possible confusion, refer to them by ''SitePrefix''). '''Please give a reason.'''

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[[Category:Iron Chariots|Interwiki map (requests)]]

Iron Chariots Wiki:Interwiki map (full)

2012-03-13T21:59:13Z

Dcljr: + warning about changes to this page having no effect

The following tables contain the '''full interwiki map''' for this wiki. (See [[Project:Interwiki map]] for an explanation.)

'''Please do not edit the tables below.''' (Changes here have no effect on actual links on this wiki, anyway. The list is only reproduced here for reference.) All requests for additions, deletions, or other changes to the list can be made at [[Project:Interwiki map (requests)]].
__TOC__
==Our interwiki map==
These sites are the ones we feel would be most useful for editors of this wiki.
{{:Project:Interwiki map (custom)}}

==Default interwiki map with changes noted==
These interwiki links will also work, but most of the sites are not really relevant to what we're doing here at [[Iron Chariots]]. Any changes from the default interwiki map that comes with the [[Project:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software are noted in the '''Comment''' column.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="3"|Default list (modifications noted)
|-
! SitePrefix !! URL !! Comment
|-
|abbenormal||http://www.ourpla.net/cgi-bin/pikie.cgi?$1||
|-
|acadwiki||http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/wiki/$1||
|-
|acronym||http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=$1||
|-
|advogato||http://www.advogato.org/$1||
|-
|aiwiki||http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/ailab/aiwiki/aiw.cgi?$1||
|-
|alife||http://news.alife.org/wiki/index.php?$1||
|-
|annotation||http://bayle.stanford.edu/crit/nph-med.cgi/$1||
|-
|annotationwiki||http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?wikiid=368&doc=$1||
|-
|arxiv||http://www.arxiv.org/abs/$1||
|-
|aspienetwiki||http://aspie.mela.de/Wiki/index.php?title=$1||
|-
|bemi||http://bemi.free.fr/vikio/index.php?$1||
|-
|benefitswiki||http://www.benefitslink.com/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi?$1||
|-
|brasilwiki||http://rio.ifi.unizh.ch/brasilienwiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|bridgeswiki||http://c2.com/w2/bridges/$1||
|-
|c2find||http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FindPage&value=$1||
|-
|cache||http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:$1||
|-
|ciscavate||http://ciscavate.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|cliki||http://ww.telent.net/cliki/$1||
|-
|cmwiki||http://www.ourpla.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|codersbase||http://www.codersbase.com/$1||
|-
|commons||http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|consciousness||http://teadvus.inspiral.org/||
|-
|corpknowpedia||http://corpknowpedia.org/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|creationmatters||http://www.ourpla.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|dejanews||http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=$1||
|-
|demokraatia||http://wiki.demokraatia.ee/||
|-
|dictionary||http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Database=*&Form=Dict1&Strategy=*&Query=$1||
|-
|disinfopedia||http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=$1||
|-
|diveintoosx||http://diveintoosx.org/$1||
|-
|docbook||http://docbook.org/wiki/moin.cgi/$1||
|-
|dolphinwiki||http://www.object-arts.com/wiki/html/Dolphin/$1||
|-
|drumcorpswiki||http://www.drumcorpswiki.com/index.php/$1||
|-
|dwjwiki||http://www.suberic.net/cgi-bin/dwj/wiki.cgi?$1||
|-
|echei||http://www.ikso.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|ecxei||http://www.ikso.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|efnetceewiki||http://purl.net/wiki/c/$1||
|-
|efnetcppwiki||http://purl.net/wiki/cpp/$1||
|-
|efnetpythonwiki||http://purl.net/wiki/python/$1||
|-
|efnetxmlwiki||http://purl.net/wiki/xml/$1||
|-
|elibre||http://enciclopedia.us.es/index.php/$1||
|-
|eljwiki||http://elj.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|emacswiki||http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|eokulturcentro||http://esperanto.toulouse.free.fr/wakka.php?wiki=$1||
|-
|evowiki||http://www.evowiki.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|eÄ‰ei||http://www.ikso.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|finalempire||http://final-empire.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|firstwiki||http://firstwiki.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|foldoc||http://www.foldoc.org/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?$1||
|-
|foxwiki||http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~$1||
|-
|fr.be||http://fr.wikinations.be/$1||
|-
|fr.ca||http://fr.ca.wikinations.org/$1||
|-
|fr.fr||http://fr.fr.wikinations.org/$1||
|-
|fr.org||http://fr.wikinations.org/$1||
|-
|freebsdman||http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?apropos=1&query=$1||
|-
|gamewiki||http://gamewiki.org/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|gej||http://www.esperanto.de/cgi-bin/aktivikio/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|gentoo-wiki||http://gentoo-wiki.com/$1||
|-
|globalvoices||http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/dyn/globalvoices/wiki/$1||
|-
|gmailwiki||http://www.gmailwiki.com/index.php/$1||
|-
|google||http://www.google.com/search?q=$1||
|-
|googlegroups||http://groups.google.com/groups?q=$1||
|-
|gotamac||http://www.got-a-mac.org/$1||
|-
|greencheese||http://www.greencheese.org/$1||
|-
|hammondwiki||http://www.dairiki.org/HammondWiki/index.php3?$1||
|-
|haribeau||http://wiki.haribeau.de/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|herzkinderwiki||http://www.herzkinderinfo.de/Mediawiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|hewikisource||http://he.wikisource.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|hrwiki||http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|iawiki||http://www.IAwiki.net/$1||
|-
|imdb||http://us.imdb.com/Title?$1||
|-
|infosecpedia||http://www.infosecpedia.org/pedia/index.php/$1||
|-
|jargonfile||http://sunir.org/apps/meta.pl?wiki=JargonFile&redirect=$1||
|-
|jefo||http://www.esperanto-jeunes.org/vikio/index.php?$1||
|-
|jiniwiki||http://www.cdegroot.com/cgi-bin/jini?$1||
|-
|jspwiki||http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/Wiki.jsp?page=$1||
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|kerimwiki||http://wiki.oxus.net/$1||
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|kmwiki||http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?$1||
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|knowhow||http://www2.iro.umontreal.ca/~paquetse/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi?$1||
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|lanifexwiki||http://opt.lanifex.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|lasvegaswiki||http://wiki.gmnow.com/index.php/$1||
|-
|linuxwiki||http://www.linuxwiki.de/$1||
|-
|lojban||http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=$1||
|-
|lqwiki||http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|lugkr||http://lug-kr.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/lugwiki.pl?$1||
|-
|lutherwiki||http://www.lutheranarchives.com/mw/index.php/$1||
|-
|mathsongswiki||http://SeedWiki.com/page.cfm?wikiid=237&doc=$1||
|-
|mbtest||http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mbtest.pl?$1||
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|meatball||http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?$1||
|-
|mediazilla||http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/$1||
|-
|memoryalpha||http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/$1||
|-
|metaweb||http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=$1||
|-
|metawiki||http://sunir.org/apps/meta.pl?$1||
|-
|metawikipedia||http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|moinmoin||http://purl.net/wiki/moin/$1||
|-
|mozillawiki||http://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|muweb||http://www.dunstable.com/scripts/MuWebWeb?$1||
|-
|netvillage||http://www.netbros.com/?$1||
|-
|oeis||http://www.research.att.com/cgi-bin/access.cgi/as/njas/sequences/eisA.cgi?Anum=$1||
|-
|openfacts||http://openfacts.berlios.de/index.phtml?title=$1||
|-
|openwiki||http://openwiki.com/?$1||
|-
|opera7wiki||http://nontroppo.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|orgpatterns||http://www.bell-labs.com/cgi-user/OrgPatterns/OrgPatterns?$1||
|-
|osi reference model||http://wiki.tigma.ee/||
|-
|pangalacticorg||http://www.pangalactic.org/Wiki/$1||
|-
|patwiki||http://gauss.ffii.org/$1||
|-
|personaltelco||http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/$1||
|-
|phpwiki||http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php?$1||
|-
|pikie||http://pikie.darktech.org/cgi/pikie?$1||
|-
|pmeg||http://www.bertilow.com/pmeg/$1.php||
|-
|ppr||http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?$1||
|-
|purlnet||http://purl.oclc.org/NET/$1||
|-
|pythoninfo||http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/$1||
|-
|pythonwiki||http://www.pythonwiki.de/$1||
|-
|pywiki||http://www.voght.com/cgi-bin/pywiki?$1||
|-
|raec||http://www.raec.clacso.edu.ar:8080/raec/Members/raecpedia/$1||
|-
|revo||http://purl.org/NET/voko/revo/art/$1.html||
|-
|rfc||http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc$1.txt||
|-
|s23wiki||http://is-root.de/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|scoutpedia||http://www.scoutpedia.info/index.php/$1||
|-
|seapig||http://www.seapig.org/$1||
|-
|seattlewiki||http://seattlewiki.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|seattlewireless||http://seattlewireless.net/?$1||
|-
|seeds||http://www.IslandSeeds.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|senseislibrary||http://senseis.xmp.net/?$1||
|-
|shakti||http://cgi.algonet.se/htbin/cgiwrap/pgd/ShaktiWiki/$1||
|-
|slashdot||http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=$1||
|-
|smikipedia||http://www.smikipedia.org/$1||
|-
|sockwiki||http://wiki.socklabs.com/$1||
|-
|sourceforge||http://sourceforge.net/$1||
|-
|squeak||http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/$1||
|-
|strikiwiki||http://ch.twi.tudelft.nl/~mostert/striki/teststriki.pl?$1||
|-
|susning||http://www.susning.nu/$1||
|-
|svgwiki||http://www.protocol7.com/svg-wiki/default.asp?$1||
|-
|tavi||http://tavi.sourceforge.net/$1||
|-
|tejo||http://www.tejo.org/vikio/$1||
|-
|terrorwiki||http://www.liberalsagainstterrorism.com/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|theopedia||http://www.theopedia.com/$1||
|-
|tmbw||http://www.tmbw.net/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|tmnet||http://www.technomanifestos.net/?$1||
|-
|tmwiki||http://www.EasyTopicMaps.com/?page=$1||
|-
|turismo||http://www.tejo.org/turismo/$1||
|-
|twiki||http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/$1||
|-
|twistedwiki||http://purl.net/wiki/twisted/$1||
|-
|uea||http://www.tejo.org/uea/$1||
|-
|unreal||http://wiki.beyondunreal.com/wiki/$1||
|-
|ursine||http://ursine.ca/$1||
|-
|usej||http://www.tejo.org/usej/$1||
|-
|usemod||http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|visualworks||http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/VisualWorks/$1||
|-
|warpedview||http://www.warpedview.com/index.php/$1||
|-
|webdevwikinl||http://www.promo-it.nl/WebDevWiki/index.php?page=$1||
|-
|webisodes||http://www.webisodes.org/$1||
|-
|webseitzwiki||http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/$1||
|-
|why||http://clublet.com/c/c/why?$1||
|-
|wiki||http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?$1||
|-
|wikia||http://www.wikia.com/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|wikibooks||http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|wikicities||http://www.wikicities.com/index.php/$1||
|-
|wikif1||http://www.wikif1.org/$1||
|-
|wikimedia||http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|wikinews||http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|wikinfo||http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=$1||
|-
|wikiquote||http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|wikisource||http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/$1||Modified URL
|-
|wikispecies||http://species.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1||
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|wikitravel||http://wikitravel.org/en/$1||
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|wikiworld||http://WikiWorld.com/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|wikt||http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|wiktionary||http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|wlug||http://www.wlug.org.nz/$1||
|-
|wlwiki||http://winslowslair.supremepixels.net/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|ypsieyeball||http://sknkwrks.dyndns.org:1957/writewiki/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|zwiki||http://www.zwiki.org/$1||
|-
|zzz wiki||http://wiki.zzz.ee/||
|}
[[Category:Iron Chariots|Interwiki map (full)]]

Iron Chariots Wiki:MediaWiki syntax explained

2012-03-13T21:36:57Z

Dcljr: moved MediaWiki syntax explained to Iron Chariots Wiki:MediaWiki syntax explained: doesn't belong in article namespace; no links currently, so leaving no redirect

Guide for writing by using wiki syntax will be posted here

==External link==
[http://www.mediawiki.com Official Mediawiki Site]

[[Category:Iron Chariots]]

User talk:Kazim

2012-03-13T21:16:31Z

Dcljr: /* Cue Handel's Messiah... */ new section

Iron Chariots Wiki:Interwiki map (full)

2012-03-13T21:04:14Z

Dcljr: rv to previous version -- changing this page doesn't actually change the interwiki map itself; "evowiki:" still links to evowiki.org

The following tables contain the '''full interwiki map''' for this wiki. (See [[Project:Interwiki map]] for an explanation.)

'''Please do not edit the tables below.''' All requests for additions, deletions, or other changes to the list can be made at [[Project:Interwiki map (requests)]].
__TOC__
==Our interwiki map==
These sites are the ones we feel would be most useful for editors of this wiki.
{{:Project:Interwiki map (custom)}}

==Default interwiki map with changes noted==
These interwiki links will also work, but most of the sites are not really relevant to what we're doing here at [[Iron Chariots]]. Any changes from the default interwiki map that comes with the [[Project:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software are noted in the '''Comment''' column.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! colspan="3"|Default list (modifications noted)
|-
! SitePrefix !! URL !! Comment
|-
|abbenormal||http://www.ourpla.net/cgi-bin/pikie.cgi?$1||
|-
|acadwiki||http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/wiki/$1||
|-
|acronym||http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=$1||
|-
|advogato||http://www.advogato.org/$1||
|-
|aiwiki||http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/ailab/aiwiki/aiw.cgi?$1||
|-
|alife||http://news.alife.org/wiki/index.php?$1||
|-
|annotation||http://bayle.stanford.edu/crit/nph-med.cgi/$1||
|-
|annotationwiki||http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?wikiid=368&doc=$1||
|-
|arxiv||http://www.arxiv.org/abs/$1||
|-
|aspienetwiki||http://aspie.mela.de/Wiki/index.php?title=$1||
|-
|bemi||http://bemi.free.fr/vikio/index.php?$1||
|-
|benefitswiki||http://www.benefitslink.com/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi?$1||
|-
|brasilwiki||http://rio.ifi.unizh.ch/brasilienwiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|bridgeswiki||http://c2.com/w2/bridges/$1||
|-
|c2find||http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FindPage&value=$1||
|-
|cache||http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:$1||
|-
|ciscavate||http://ciscavate.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|cliki||http://ww.telent.net/cliki/$1||
|-
|cmwiki||http://www.ourpla.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|codersbase||http://www.codersbase.com/$1||
|-
|commons||http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|consciousness||http://teadvus.inspiral.org/||
|-
|corpknowpedia||http://corpknowpedia.org/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|creationmatters||http://www.ourpla.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|dejanews||http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=$1||
|-
|demokraatia||http://wiki.demokraatia.ee/||
|-
|dictionary||http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Database=*&Form=Dict1&Strategy=*&Query=$1||
|-
|disinfopedia||http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=$1||
|-
|diveintoosx||http://diveintoosx.org/$1||
|-
|docbook||http://docbook.org/wiki/moin.cgi/$1||
|-
|dolphinwiki||http://www.object-arts.com/wiki/html/Dolphin/$1||
|-
|drumcorpswiki||http://www.drumcorpswiki.com/index.php/$1||
|-
|dwjwiki||http://www.suberic.net/cgi-bin/dwj/wiki.cgi?$1||
|-
|echei||http://www.ikso.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|ecxei||http://www.ikso.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|efnetceewiki||http://purl.net/wiki/c/$1||
|-
|efnetcppwiki||http://purl.net/wiki/cpp/$1||
|-
|efnetpythonwiki||http://purl.net/wiki/python/$1||
|-
|efnetxmlwiki||http://purl.net/wiki/xml/$1||
|-
|elibre||http://enciclopedia.us.es/index.php/$1||
|-
|eljwiki||http://elj.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|emacswiki||http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|eokulturcentro||http://esperanto.toulouse.free.fr/wakka.php?wiki=$1||
|-
|evowiki||http://www.evowiki.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|eÄ‰ei||http://www.ikso.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|finalempire||http://final-empire.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|firstwiki||http://firstwiki.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|foldoc||http://www.foldoc.org/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?$1||
|-
|foxwiki||http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~$1||
|-
|fr.be||http://fr.wikinations.be/$1||
|-
|fr.ca||http://fr.ca.wikinations.org/$1||
|-
|fr.fr||http://fr.fr.wikinations.org/$1||
|-
|fr.org||http://fr.wikinations.org/$1||
|-
|freebsdman||http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?apropos=1&query=$1||
|-
|gamewiki||http://gamewiki.org/wiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|gej||http://www.esperanto.de/cgi-bin/aktivikio/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|gentoo-wiki||http://gentoo-wiki.com/$1||
|-
|globalvoices||http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/dyn/globalvoices/wiki/$1||
|-
|gmailwiki||http://www.gmailwiki.com/index.php/$1||
|-
|google||http://www.google.com/search?q=$1||
|-
|googlegroups||http://groups.google.com/groups?q=$1||
|-
|gotamac||http://www.got-a-mac.org/$1||
|-
|greencheese||http://www.greencheese.org/$1||
|-
|hammondwiki||http://www.dairiki.org/HammondWiki/index.php3?$1||
|-
|haribeau||http://wiki.haribeau.de/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?$1||
|-
|herzkinderwiki||http://www.herzkinderinfo.de/Mediawiki/index.php/$1||
|-
|hewikisource||http://he.wikisource.org/wiki/$1||
|-
|hrwiki||http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/$1||
|-
|iawiki||http://www.IAwiki.net/$1||
|-
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Iron Chariots Wiki:Interwiki map (requests)

2012-03-13T20:52:51Z

Dcljr: /* Requested additions/changes */ + MediaWiki

This page is for '''requesting changes to our [[Project:Interwiki map|interwiki map]]'''. (See also [[Wikipedia:InterWiki]] for background information.)

''Things to note:''
* Before requesting that we add a site, please check our [[Project:Interwiki map (full)|''full'' interwiki map]] to make sure we don't already have interwiki linking enabled for it.
* Websites in the map need not be [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]], but they do need to have a well defined page name structure that lends itself to wiki links. Don't add a site unless its pages can be predictably linked to using a link of the form:
*: {{l|''SitePrefix'':''PageName''}}
* ''SitePrefix'' will be replaced by a fixed ''[[Wikipedia:URL|URL]]'', as listed in the table below, with ''PageName'' substituted for "<tt>$1</tt>" in the URL). ''PageName'' can contain spaces but they will be converted to underscores(<tt>_</tt>) in the final URL, not plus signs (<tt>+</tt>) nor hex codes (<tt>%20</tt>). If this won't work properly for your website, then it's probably not worth adding it to the interwiki map.
* The ''SitePrefix'' codes, which are [[Wiktionary:case insensitive|case insensitive]], must not contain any spaces (<tt> </tt>), colons (<tt>:</tt>), ampersands (<tt>&</tt>), or equal signs (<tt>=</tt>) — in fact, we probably should just avoid punctuation completely. They should also not match any of this wiki's [[Project:Namespaces|namespaces]], nor any [[Wikipedia:ISO 639|ISO 639 language codes]] (en, de, fr, ...), just in case we decide to expand [[Iron Chariots]] to separate language wikis in the future (see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Interlanguage links|Wikipedia:Interlanguage links]] for more information about this).
* Please keep the ''SitePrefix'' codes '''easily identifiable'''. People should be able to tell what site you're referring to, more or less, even if they're not very familiar with the "wikiverse" (for example, using "wikt" for [[Wiktionary:Main Page|Wiktionary]] is a bad idea, even if it is an acceptable prefix when linking from other [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia|Wikimedia]] sites).
* If you don't want to suggest a ''SitePrefix'', we can come up with one for you.
* Please sign your request with three or four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) if you want a response from us — or just in case we need to discuss it with you further.

With the foregoing caveats in mind, feel free to add any wikis or other ''relevant'' websites to the table below.

<center><big>'''[http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Iron_Chariots_Wiki:Interwiki_map_%28requests%29&action=edit&section=1 Add your request]'''</big></center>

==Requested additions/changes==
If you want to discuss potential changes before suggesting them here, please visit the [[Project talk:Interwiki map (requests)|discussion page]].

{| class="wikitable"
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! SitePrefix !! URL !! Comments
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| Example || http://www.example.org/wiki/$1 || This line is only an example. Add your request below. - <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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| Forum || http://forum.ironchariots.org/$1 || I thought it'd be nice to have a interwiki for our discussion forum(s). I know the links won't be able to use regular English phrases, as with links to sites like Wikipedia, but at least this entry would allow <tt><nowiki>[[:Forum:]]</nowiki></tt> for linking to the [http://forum.ironchariots.org/ Forum Index]. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 13:01, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
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| ForumNumber || http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewforum.php?f=$1 || I assume once a forum gets a number, it's "permanent"... For example, <tt><nowiki>[[ForumNumber:6]]</nowiki></tt> would link to the [http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewforum.php?f=6 General Discussion] forum. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]]
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| ForumTopic || http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewtopic.php?t=$1 || Likewise for topics. Example: <tt><nowiki>[[ForumTopic:95]]</nowiki></tt> would link to the [http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewtopic.php?t=95 Jesus Camp] thread. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]]
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| Evowiki || http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/$1 || Iron Chariots is primarily about atheism, not creationism vs. evolution. It would be nice to have a shortcut with which to refer readers to a specialized evolution wiki. - --[[User:Arensb|Arensb]] 17:48, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
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| Wikiversity || http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/$1 || Latest Wikimedia project will surely have relevant material soon, if it doesn't already. All other Wikimedia sites already have working prefixes here. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 22:32, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
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| AtheismWiki || http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/$1 || Obviously highly relevant; even though it's a Wikia and therefore ''could'' be linked to using the general {{l|WikiaSite:}} interwiki link (example: {{ll|WikiaSite:Atheism:Christian morality}}, it would be much more convenient to have a special code for it. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 04:59, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
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| ReligionWiki || http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/$1 || See previous entry. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 04:59, 26 March 2009 (CDT)
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| MediaWiki || http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/$1 || Useful for pointing people to MediaWiki documentation on talk pages, in template documentation, etc. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 15:52, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
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==Requested deletions==

List any sites you feel should be removed from our [[Project:Interwiki map (full)|interwiki map]] (to avoid any possible confusion, refer to them by ''SitePrefix''). '''Please give a reason.'''

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2012-03-13T19:39:20Z

Dcljr: cue Handel's "Messiah"...

* 2012-02-26: Our [[Project:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software has been upgraded to [[Special:Version|version 1.18.1]], including an extension adding the ability to use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php <ref> tags]. You can now easily cite sources in articles — but note that we don't have all the fancy {{tl|cite}} templates that Wikipedia does.
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Talk:Atheism is based on faith

2012-02-15T14:09:04Z

Dcljr: /* Rewrite */ more accurate

== Rewrite ==

I've just rewritten large portions of this and rearranged almost all of the bullet points (and added and removed some). There are still several points that are hitting essentially the same weakness from slightly different angles, but I couldn't figure out how to effectively merge them into fewer bullet points. (IOW, I didn't have time to [re]write a short article.) - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 08:08, 15 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Atheism is based on faith

2012-02-15T14:08:17Z

Dcljr: Rewrite

== Rewrite ==

I've just rewritten large portions of this and rearranged almost all of the bullet points (and added a few new ones). There are still several points that are hitting essentially the same weakness from slightly different angles, but I couldn't figure out how to effectively merge them into fewer bullet points. (IOW, I didn't have time to [re]write a short article.) - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 08:08, 15 February 2012 (CST)

Atheism is based on faith

2012-02-15T14:03:18Z

Dcljr: massive rearranging/rewriting

[[Apologists]] often claim that '''atheism is based on faith''' — that is, not believing in a [[god]] requires just as much [[faith]] as belief does, if not more. [[Norman Geisler]] expressed this argument in the title of his book, ''[[I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist]]''.

==Apologetics==

[[Let Us Reason Ministries]] offers this expression of the argument:[http://www.letusreason.org/Apolo7.htm]

:"To be an Atheist one would have to be omniscient knowing all things having a perfect knowledge of the universe, to say they absolutely know God does not exist. For one to do this they would have to personally inspected all places in the present known universe and in all time, having explored everywhere seen and unseen."

==Counter-apologetics==

* The definition of "Atheist" in the argument above is an overly broad [[straw man]]: an atheist is one who either [[weak atheism|lacks positive belief in a god]] or who [[strong atheism|believes that no gods exist]], not one who claims to know absolutely that no gods exist (see [[Atheist vs. agnostic]]).

* While a person would need perfect knowledge of the universe to be [[absolute certainty|absolutely certain]] that no gods exist, such knowledge is not required for ''disbelief''. And, in fact, individual theists disbelieve all kinds of claims (that various [[mythical beings]] exist, or that Earth is being regularly visited by aliens from space) without having complete knowledge even of the relevant subject areas.

* The use of the word "faith" is often an attempt to mislead based on the [[equivocation]] fallacy. As the article on [[faith]] discusses, the two primary meanings of the word are: (1) ''confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing''; and (2) ''belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.'' One may reasonably claim that certain forms of atheism are based on "faith" using the first definition. However, the way this claim is often made implies that the second definition is being used, which is usually incorrect.

* Disbelief based on lack of evidence does not require faith. In fact, disbelief does not require evidence of any kind. Someone who has never heard of the concept of "gods" would not believe in them. Under the broader definition of atheism, they would be an atheist and yet not have faith that no gods exist. Similarly, someone who has been given evidence and simply finds it lacking (the classic narrower definition of ''atheist'') would also not be relying on faith for their lack of belief.

* Actually, it is quite possible to obtain evidence discouraging belief in the existence of specific gods (i.e., "evidence-based atheism"). For example, if the god is defined sufficiently well, one may examine the definition for logical contradications. If the god is [[Omnipotence paradox|not logically consistent]], then disbelief is justified. If a god is invoked to explain a certain phenomenon, then that explanation can be compared to the best scientific explanation of the same phenomenon. If [[science]] leads to a better explanation or a deeper understanding of the mechanisms involved, then [[Occam's Razor|why is belief in the god necessary]]?

* The argument equates non-belief due to a [[Evidentiary argument|complete lack of evidence for something and good reasons to suppose otherwise]] to the (literal) leap of faith needed to believe such a thing.

* Theists tend to treat belief in their particular god as the default position, and they will often back this up with some variation of the [[argument from design]]. But since theists make a positive claim of their god's existence, they have the [[burden of proof]]. In fact, their claim is [[extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence|quite extraordinary]] (e.g., a being that can create whole universes), so their burden of proof is all the greater for that.

* There is often an unspoken premise in this kind of argument that being an atheist is dangerous and therefore should not be entered into lightly. This is a classic [[appeal to emotion]]. (Not to mention the ironic implication that faith might not be a good enough reason to disbelieve something. If that's true, then why should it be a good reason to ''believe'' something?)

* Theists commonly consider faith to be a virtue. It seems odd, then, that they would criticize atheism for being based on faith. Moreover, the argument implies that the more faith a proposition needs, the less one should accept it as true, a position that many counter-apologists would welcome.

* [[Tu quoque]]! This argument attempts to defend religious faith claims by claiming that the atheist position falls into the same category. It also often serves as a [[non sequitur]], and tends to derail the argument from focusing on the lack of evidence to support religious faith.

* Theists often [[backslide]] and have trouble maintaining faith in their god. Atheists occasionally convert to theism, but do not tend to slip into various god-beliefs due to the "strain" required to maintain no belief in any gods. If atheists were a faith group, they should share the same difficulties the religious have in maintaining their faith.

==See also==
* [[Atheism is a religion]]

==External link==
* [http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyths/a/omniscience.htm Myths About Atheism: Must Real Atheist Know Everything to Deny God?] at [[atheism.about.com]]

{{Common objections}}

[[Category:Arguments]]
[[Category:Criticisms of atheism]]

Talk:Mythical being

2012-02-15T13:55:02Z

Dcljr: point to new article title, so link brings up correct list

==Comments from Talk:Unicorn==

I think this article should be deleted and the red links rebounded to wikipedia, as there aren't too many serious apologists using unicorns as proof of god's existence. [[User:Enshoku|Enshoku]] 17:40, 11 January 2009 (CST)

: Either that, or redirect to some page listing canonical examples and comparisons. --[[User:Arensb|Arensb]] 00:07, 13 January 2009 (CST)

:: I've merged and redirected [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Mythical being|all the various mythical creature articles]] to here. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 19:20, 27 December 2009 (CST)

Mythical being

2012-02-15T13:53:26Z

Dcljr: more conversions of "creature"

{{wikipedia|Legendary creature}}
A '''mythical being''' is a fictional living thing, usually an animal or animal-like organism, that exists only in [[mythology]] or [[folklore]]. Sometimes these beings have [[magical]] powers, sometimes not.

==Well known examples==
Some examples of (mostly) non-religious mythical beings include the following.

===From older mythologies===
; [[Wikipedia:Fairy|Fairies]]
: Having taken on many different forms in the popular imagination throughout history, the most common modern conception, which became very popular in the early 20th century, is somewhat like a more elegant (usually somewhat [[angel]]ic) version of the ''[[Wikipedia:Peter Pan|Peter Pan]]'' character [[Wikipedia:Tinkerbell|Tinkerbell]] — a small, flying, female humanoid.
; [[Wikipedia:Troll|Trolls]]
: A large, fearsome type of fairy from [[Wikipedia:Norse mythology|Norse mythology]], originally similar to the [[Wikipedia:Ogre|ogres]] of England.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll]
; [[Wikipedia:Leprechaun|Leprechaun]]
: A kind of fairy from [[Wikipedia:Irish mythology|Irish folklore]], usually taking the form of a very short man, often clad in a red or green coats, who enjoys partaking in mischief.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun]

===In modern times===
; [[Wikipedia:Loch Ness Monster|Loch Ness Monster]]
: Sometimes affectionately called ''Nessie'', this purported dinosaur- or serpent-like animal is currently thought by some to reside within [[Wikipedia:Loch Ness|Loch Ness]], a narrow yet deep body of water near Inverness in Scotland, UK. Nessie and Loch Ness are popular attractions, with thousands of tourists arriving each year in the hope of catching a glimpse of the creature. Many examples of purported photographic and video evidence (much of it mutually contradictory) have been offered by amateurs, but systematic investigations of Loch Ness have failed to provide conclusive evidence of any such creature. The peak of interest to this creature was in the middle of the 20th century. It was then when several witnesses said they saw some creature in the lake. Then the famous black-and-white photograph of some unknown creature appeared. Though, later this photograph was examined and proved to be a fake, since it was not a [http://overnightessay.com/blog/2010/05/20/the-mystery-of-the-loch-ness-monster-is-absolutely-exposed/ monstrous creature], but a small submarine decorated to resemble Nessie. Finally, in the 21th century scientists proved that there can be no such a creature in Drumnadrochit Lochs.
; [[Wikipedia:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]]
: Also known as Sasquatch, this is an ape-like beast allegedly inhabiting the forests of the [[Wikipedia:Pacific Northwest|Pacific Northwest]] region of North America.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot]

===Mentioned in the Bible===
; [[Wikipedia:Unicorn|Unicorns]]
: Typically depicted (in modern times) as a white horse with a single, spiral horn growing out of its forehead. The unicorn appears in eight different places in the [[King James Bible]]: {{bible|Job 39:9-11}}, {{bible|Deut. 33:17}}, {{bible|Numbers 23:22}}, {{bible|Numbers 24:8}}, {{bible|Psalms 22:21}}, {{bible|Psalms 29:6}}, {{bible|Psalms 92:10}}, and {{bible|Isaiah 34:7}}.
; [[Wikipedia:Dragon|Dragons]]
: Usually reptilian creatures that are similar to large lizards or dinosaurs (mainly in the European tradition), or snake-like serpents (mainly in oriental traditions). Although the King James Bible uses the words "serpent", "dragon" and "Devil" in a fairly interchangeable manner, the first mentions of a dragon-like creature is in {{bible|Job 26:13}} and {{bible|Isaiah 27:1}}, where it is called Nachash Bare'ach, or "Pole Serpent".[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon]

==Use in counter-apologetics==

Because most [[theist]]s agree that non-religious mythical beings do not really exist, they often serve as good substitutes for [[God]] (or [[angel]]s, etc.) in [[counter-apologetics]], either to show the weakness of a theist's argument, or to show the reasonableness of a corresponding counter-argument — especially in the context of the reasonableness of belief without evidence, or the nature of burden of proof when applied to issues of existence.

'''Example'''
* ''Atheist:'' "Do you believe in leprechauns?"
* ''Theist:'' "No."
* ''Atheist:'' "Why not?"
* ''Theist:'' "Because they obviously don't exist."
* ''Atheist:'' "[[You can't prove God doesn't exist|Prove it]]."
* ''Theist:'' "I don't have to! No one really believes in leprechauns."
* ''Atheist:'' "Do you have ''evidence'' that they don't exist?"
* ''Theist:'' "No, but you don't have evidence that they do."
* ''Atheist:'' "You're right. But why not believe in them anyway, since we don't have good evidence either way?"
* (and so forth...)

[[Category:Mythology]]

Mythical being

2012-02-15T13:49:47Z

Dcljr: creature -> being in several places (per new page title)

{{wikipedia|Legendary creature}}
A '''mythical being''' is a fictional living thing, usually an animal or animal-like organism, that exists only in [[mythology]] or [[folklore]]. Sometimes these creatures have [[magical]] powers, sometimes not.

==Well known examples==
Some examples of (mostly) non-religious mythical beings include the following.

===From older mythologies===
; [[Wikipedia:Fairy|Fairies]]
: Having taken on many different forms in the popular imagination throughout history, the most common modern conception, which became very popular in the early 20th century, is somewhat like a more elegant (usually somewhat [[angel]]ic) version of the ''[[Wikipedia:Peter Pan|Peter Pan]]'' character [[Wikipedia:Tinkerbell|Tinkerbell]] — a small, flying, female humanoid.
; [[Wikipedia:Troll|Trolls]]
: A large, fearsome type of fairy from [[Wikipedia:Norse mythology|Norse mythology]], originally similar to the [[Wikipedia:Ogre|ogres]] of England.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll]
; [[Wikipedia:Leprechaun|Leprechaun]]
: A kind of fairy from [[Wikipedia:Irish mythology|Irish folklore]], usually taking the form of a very short man, often clad in a red or green coats, who enjoys partaking in mischief.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun]

===In modern times===
; [[Wikipedia:Loch Ness Monster|Loch Ness Monster]]
: Sometimes affectionately called ''Nessie'', this dinosaur- or serpent-like creature is currently thought by some to reside within [[Wikipedia:Loch Ness|Loch Ness]], a narrow yet deep body of water near Inverness in Scotland, UK. Nessie and Loch Ness are popular attractions, with thousands of tourists arriving each year in the hope of catching a glimpse of the creature. Many examples of purported photographic and video evidence (much of it mutually contradictory) have been offered by amateurs, but systematic investigations of Loch Ness have failed to provide conclusive evidence of any such creature. The peak of interest to this creature was in the middle of the 20th century. It was then when several witnesses said they saw some creature in the lake. Then the famous black-and-white photograph of some unknown creature appeared. Though, later this photograph was examined and proved to be a fake, since it was not a [http://overnightessay.com/blog/2010/05/20/the-mystery-of-the-loch-ness-monster-is-absolutely-exposed/ monstrous creature], but a small submarine decorated to resemble Nessie. Finally, in the 21th century scientists proved that there can be no such a creature in Drumnadrochit Lochs.
; [[Wikipedia:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]]
: Also known as Sasquatch, this is an ape-like creature allegedly inhabiting the forests of the [[Wikipedia:Pacific Northwest|Pacific Northwest]] region of North America.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot]

===Mentioned in the Bible===
; [[Wikipedia:Unicorn|Unicorns]]
: Typically depicted (in modern times) as a white horse with a single, spiral horn growing out of its forehead. The unicorn appears in eight different places in the [[King James Bible]]: {{bible|Job 39:9-11}}, {{bible|Deut. 33:17}}, {{bible|Numbers 23:22}}, {{bible|Numbers 24:8}}, {{bible|Psalms 22:21}}, {{bible|Psalms 29:6}}, {{bible|Psalms 92:10}}, and {{bible|Isaiah 34:7}}.
; [[Wikipedia:Dragon|Dragons]]
: Usually reptilian creatures that are similar to large lizards or dinosaurs (mainly in the European tradition), or snake-like serpents (mainly in oriental traditions). Although the King James Bible uses the words "serpent", "dragon" and "Devil" in a fairly interchangeable manner, the first mentions of a dragon-like creature is in {{bible|Job 26:13}} and {{bible|Isaiah 27:1}}, where it is called Nachash Bare'ach, or "Pole Serpent".[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon]

==Use in counter-apologetics==

Because most [[theist]]s agree that non-religious mythical beings do not really exist, they often serve as good substitutes for [[God]] (or [[angel]]s, etc.) in [[counter-apologetics]], either to show the weakness of a theist's argument, or to show the reasonableness of a corresponding counter-argument — especially in the context of the reasonableness of belief without evidence, or the nature of burden of proof when applied to issues of existence.

'''Example'''
* ''Atheist:'' "Do you believe in leprechauns?"
* ''Theist:'' "No."
* ''Atheist:'' "Why not?"
* ''Theist:'' "Because they obviously don't exist."
* ''Atheist:'' "[[You can't prove God doesn't exist|Prove it]]."
* ''Theist:'' "I don't have to! No one really believes in leprechauns."
* ''Atheist:'' "Do you have ''evidence'' that they don't exist?"
* ''Theist:'' "No, but you don't have evidence that they do."
* ''Atheist:'' "You're right. But why not believe in them anyway, since we don't have good evidence either way?"
* (and so forth...)

[[Category:Mythology]]

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